Land

[nelsonic]

Checklist of things to Investigate (before we can move forward with land purchase)

• How good is the fresh-water source on the property? (purity & flow in litres/hour) see: Water #21
• Broadband (Fibre or Wireless) options.
• Planning Permission. specifically can we:
  • 1.re-build existing house ?
  • 2. add more container homes later ?
• Paperwork (for Portugal):
  • Artigos de matriz (Conservatória do Registo Predial)
  • Certidão Permanente (https://www.predialonline.pt/PredialOnline/FRM005RPOLCP_input.action)
  • Cadernetas prediais (Serviço de Finanças)
• Water (will the council hook us up to the mains?? how much will it cost us?)
• Goal / Business Plan (how much detail is required) ?

@iteles what else?

[nelsonic]

I feel a "research" trip coming soon ... 😉

• http://www.montesaraz.com/?ID=4
• https://www.wonderful.land/montegois/

[iteles]

Adding to the top comment above so the list is all in one place, but more research, in Beja/Alentejo:
http://www.casasbrancas.pt/rede/naturarte-rio/
http://www.casasbrancas.pt/rede/naturarte-campo/

[nelsonic]

yeah, casasbrancas are pretty sweet...
however, we are going to take it to the nextLevel(); 😉
Which reminds me... we're going to need to leverage our funds... #5

[nelsonic]

I try not to "spam" you with too many links to potential properties, but this one is pretty good.
http://www.imovirtual.com/imoveis/quintas_e_herdades/quinta-ourique/5683604/

Details:

Ourique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ourique is well-located for public transport (train/bus)
It's close to the E1 highway and is aprox 1h from _Faro_ Airport and 2h from Lisbon.

I've contacted the seller on the site but will make a phonecall tomorrow morning to see if we can view it tomorrow.

[nelsonic]

This land is incredible: http://www.imovirtual.com/imoveis/quintas_e_herdades/herdade-com-barragem/4194482/

It has a 7ha lake/dam which is fed by a river. the location is "worse" than other land we've seen but it's in the middle of a national park so the air is pretty fresh... Given that we are building "temporary structures" there won't be a "planning permission" issue ...

[carolrmc]

This is an incredible property. Such a huge lake AND a stream. Doesn't get much better than this!

[nelsonic]

Yeah, I was pretty excited when I saw it, I just wanted to sell everything and go for it!
But I think a more prudent approach is wise. We're going to spend the bare minimum on a tiny piece of land and plant some trees and continue investing in our "Phase One" business for the foreseeable future... not that we won't have amazing land, just not this scale... see: #25

[nelsonic]

A 10 Bedroom House with a Pool, BBQ Area, Enough Land to Graze Cattle (or start a solar farm!) is €350k ...

The price of a Studio Apartment in an OK area of London ...

🤣

[carolrmc]

no brainer!

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[nelsonic]

This is the link to view the latest large parcels of Land in PT:
https://www.imovirtual.com/comprar/quintaeherdade/?nrAdsPerPage=72&search%5Border%5D=filter_float_m%3Adesc

[nelsonic]

https://youtu.be/ZSPkcpGmflE

[nelsonic]

https://www.pureportugal.co.uk/property/shb999-the-mill/

[iteles]

This sounds absolutely amazing 😱

[nelsonic]

As you can imagine, I’m obvs keen. hence sharing it.
It’s not a huge amount of land. But 3ha is roughly 3 football pitches:

https://www.thecalculatorsite.com/articles/units/how-big-is-a-hectare.php

There is a local primary care health center 5 mins away: https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centro_de_Sa%C3%BAde_de_Monchique

It’s 25mins drive from the nearest public (full service) hospital in Portimão.

[nelsonic]

For reference this property is nearby the one above is less than half the land but had buildings including a 10 room guesthouse and is €1.3M:

https://www.pureportugal.co.uk/property/agd130-algarve-dream/

No mention of the amount of available water #21 or the existence of a pool ...
Who builds a guesthouse in the Algarve without a pool?! 😜

I would much prefer the watermill and more land.

[iteles]

Let me know if you want to take a couple of nights to go and see it! (though 4 night travels in the car within one week will definitely be pretty disruptive for Alex 😭)

Pretty exciting!!

[nelsonic]

WoW! You have a nice car. 😜 (this isn't public anywhere BTW ...)
But yes, I'd love to go visit the land. (might need to take a couple of days off if the internet is too weak to work)

[nelsonic]

@iteles still keen to visit the land. Did you ever hear back from them? ⏳

[nelsonic]

@iteles wanna try and view it next time we go down south? Or want to look for something closer to Braga/Landim?

[nelsonic]

@iteles want to go look at this land when we head down to LX for "The Last Time To See me Before I Die!" ...?

BTW: the gig is available on YT: nelsonic/nelsonic.github.io#860

[iteles]

Para fazer isso temos de ir 'com tempo'. We're putting Alex through two nights where his most restorative sleep period (first sleep off the night) is taking place in a car seat just to get to Lisbon and back.

To get to Monchique it's a 3+ hour drive so we either leave Alex with grandparents and drive down and up by ourselves on the same day or we disrupt his sleep for 2 more nights by driving at the end of the day.

The short answer is yes, absolutely, but I'm not sure if we're not better off going alone so as not to destroy Alex's schedule just before the wedding we're attending.

[nelsonic]

Ok. let's leave it for now then. Don't want to disrupt 👶 ... and its also probably best to focus on finishing @home first. 🏡 👍
My only reasoning for even considering buying land before the house is finished is to plant trees ... #6 / #28
But I think we need to sit down and draft a better plan for the trees up here.

[nelsonic]

RIVERSIDE LAND WITH 2HA, 2 HOUSES, RUIN, OUTBUILDING & WATERMILL FOR RENOVATION
https://www.pureportugal.co.uk/property/imo270-watermill-farm/

Castelo de Paiva: https://goo.gl/maps/Dg5zh27QVieqzpg96

[iteles]

DEFINITELY worth seeing.

[nelsonic]

Viewing booked for tomorrow Wednesday 31^st August 14:00: #25 (comment) 📆

[nelsonic]

"things to consider and costly mistakes to avoid when looking for land to start your journey": https://youtu.be/v02JLhjN2Vw

His channel might be called "The Dutch Farmer" [283K subscribers!] but they live in Portugal.
Highly recommend watching this video and seeing how #116 ticks all the boxes.
Most of the info is covered in the issues we've opened in this repo.

This was the most up-voted comment on the video:

The one thing we need to if we move forward with #116 is request the "pedido de informação prévia" (request for prior information) from the council to know as much as possible about the land beforehand. e.g. any previous planning permission requests that have been denied. Any outstanding debts and get it in writing what is allowed (or not) on the land.