[00:00.000 --> 00:11.000]  Hello, hi John, hi Merlin, how's it going?
[00:11.000 --> 00:15.000]  It's pretty early, but I'm doing okay.
[00:15.000 --> 00:19.000]  Christmas is the time to say I love you.
[00:19.000 --> 00:20.000]  I love you, John.
[00:20.000 --> 00:22.000]  Oh, Merlin, thank you.
[00:22.000 --> 00:24.000]  It's what Billy Squire said to do.
[00:24.000 --> 00:25.000]  Billy Squire?
[00:25.000 --> 00:26.000]  Yeah.
[00:26.000 --> 00:28.000]  Yeah, you know that song, remember that song?
[00:28.000 --> 00:32.000]  Yeah, of course I do, but I hadn't thought of it since 1986.
[00:32.000 --> 00:38.000]  Yeah, it was, you know, I grew up listen to a lot of radio.
[00:38.000 --> 00:39.000]  Yeah.
[00:39.000 --> 00:40.000]  I think you did too.
[00:40.000 --> 00:41.000]  Yeah.
[00:41.000 --> 00:46.000]  And there was that time of year on whatever your local version of this rock station was.
[00:46.000 --> 00:48.000]  Yeah, if the FM K whale.
[00:48.000 --> 00:52.000]  K-A-W-A-L.
[00:52.000 --> 00:53.000]  K-W-H-O.
[00:53.000 --> 00:54.000]  Oh.
[00:54.000 --> 00:58.000]  107.7 the whale, the whale, the FM K whale.
[00:58.000 --> 01:03.000]  Here in the city by the bay we have 107.7 to bone.
[01:03.000 --> 01:06.000]  So if you don't, you don't say it like that.
[01:06.000 --> 01:10.000]  You say, what was 7.7, the bone, bone your classics from the bone yard.
[01:10.000 --> 01:24.000]  Do that.
[01:24.000 --> 01:26.000]  Did that get down, get down, get the kicker.
[01:26.000 --> 01:27.000]  Yeah.
[01:27.000 --> 01:29.000]  We have T-Z-O-K here and then then 107 is a popular place for hard rock.
[01:29.000 --> 01:31.000]  Because we have the 107.7.
[01:31.000 --> 01:34.000]  Because this is the opposite of MPR.
[01:34.000 --> 01:40.000]  We had Q105, which is popular, and we had 98 rock, which had the black t-shirts.
[01:40.000 --> 01:44.000]  Yeah, so KZOK is 99.9.
[01:44.000 --> 01:48.000]  That's a cool one, yeah.
[01:48.000 --> 01:50.000]  Anyway, so Billy Squire, Christmas.
[01:50.000 --> 01:52.000]  Billy Squire, but like, I don't know.
[01:52.000 --> 01:57.000]  I'm curious if this aligns, because we're more the same age every day.
[01:57.000 --> 01:58.000]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:58.000 --> 02:01.000]  If we were in preschool together, we'd be in very different SRAs.
[02:01.000 --> 02:04.000]  But now our ages are statistically identical.
[02:04.000 --> 02:05.000]  Yeah, so that's true.
[02:05.000 --> 02:06.000]  Yeah.
[02:06.000 --> 02:16.000]  We are when you get demographically divided to determine whether or not you're cohort of voted Republican or not.
[02:16.000 --> 02:19.000]  Yeah, you vote for John Anderson, of course.
[02:19.000 --> 02:24.000]  So I was into Star Wars, and you were into that Empire Strikes Backshed.
[02:24.000 --> 02:31.000]  Um, okay, but I'm going to just start realin' these off, and I'm not mad at these songs.
[02:31.000 --> 02:35.000]  Some of them, like, I love, okay, here's one, here's one, but the rock songs.
[02:35.000 --> 02:37.000]  You got to play rock songs on the rock station.
[02:37.000 --> 02:38.000]  Oh, sorry.
[02:38.000 --> 02:44.000]  One more quick thing, as long as we need a control group here, um, you know, we have that big tower called Kuwait Tower.
[02:44.000 --> 02:46.000]  And it's emphasis go to the city bay.
[02:46.000 --> 02:47.000]  Oh, I know the one.
[02:47.000 --> 02:49.000]  Yeah, you can see it, it's right there.
[02:49.000 --> 02:50.000]  It's right there.
[02:50.000 --> 02:51.000]  It looks like a dome.
[02:51.000 --> 02:53.000]  It's meant to look like the end of a fire hose.
[02:53.000 --> 02:54.000]  Really?
[02:54.000 --> 03:00.000]  Yeah, because the lady, I guess, uh, Countess Kuwait, or whomever, uh, it was a tribute to the fire.
[03:00.000 --> 03:03.000]  As we say now, first responders I hate.
[03:03.000 --> 03:04.000]  Yeah, fucking term.
[03:04.000 --> 03:05.000]  There it is.
[03:05.000 --> 03:09.000]  The firemen who, uh, works so diligently in 1908, digity what?
[03:09.000 --> 03:10.000]  Six.
[03:10.000 --> 03:11.000]  Oh, well, it was a thoughtful.
[03:11.000 --> 03:13.000]  See, see, see, this is life in America.
[03:13.000 --> 03:15.000]  It's the earthquake that starts at the fire.
[03:15.000 --> 03:16.000]  That's how they get you at the fire.
[03:16.000 --> 03:22.000]  So, so I drove by the Kuwait Tower, uh, not very long ago when we were in your beautiful city.
[03:22.000 --> 03:24.000]  Uh, Sam was just going to city by the bay.
[03:24.000 --> 03:25.000]  City by the bay.
[03:25.000 --> 03:29.000]  Uh, because, uh, my daughter was like, I want to go down the twisty streets.
[03:29.000 --> 03:30.000]  Sure.
[03:30.000 --> 03:31.000]  And I was like, I understand that.
[03:31.000 --> 03:34.000]  He's like, I want to go to Fisherman's Warf.
[03:34.000 --> 03:35.000]  I understand.
[03:35.000 --> 03:38.000]  You saw the sign in the opening for Phyllis, like all of this.
[03:38.000 --> 03:40.000]  And here's the thing.
[03:40.000 --> 03:44.000]  Uh, no, I think it was, uh, well, she really loves Monroe.
[03:44.000 --> 03:45.000]  You know, so we were watching.
[03:45.000 --> 03:46.000]  I love Monroe.
[03:46.000 --> 03:48.000]  Wait, did you just do too close for comfort?
[03:48.000 --> 03:49.000]  Uh, oh, yeah.
[03:49.000 --> 03:52.000]  Well, I dedicated too close for comfort.
[03:52.000 --> 03:53.000]  Jake James, a book.
[03:53.000 --> 03:54.000]  One of the greats.
[03:54.000 --> 03:55.000]  So, uh, but it happened.
[03:55.000 --> 03:57.000]  We were at Fisherman's Warf.
[03:57.000 --> 04:00.000]  And you know, twisty street, uh, and Kuwait Tower.
[04:00.000 --> 04:01.000]  They're just right there.
[04:01.000 --> 04:02.000]  You just, you get in the car.
[04:02.000 --> 04:04.000]  That's the real part of San Francisco.
[04:04.000 --> 04:05.000]  That's one of the real parts.
[04:05.000 --> 04:07.000]  I don't live in the real part of San Francisco.
[04:07.000 --> 04:08.000]  And that's how I like it.
[04:08.000 --> 04:09.000]  Mm-hmm.
[04:09.000 --> 04:11.000]  I want you to think of this twisty street.
[04:11.000 --> 04:13.000]  You wait in line for a while you take a right turn.
[04:13.000 --> 04:14.000]  And then you go down.
[04:14.000 --> 04:17.000]  And then you see lots of people going, why did I buy a house here?
[04:17.000 --> 04:20.000]  There are a lot of people on that street.
[04:20.000 --> 04:22.000]  And at any time of the day or night, uh,
[04:22.000 --> 04:26.000]  I've been down that street in the darkest, darkest hours of the night.
[04:26.000 --> 04:27.000]  And there wasn't anybody on it.
[04:27.000 --> 04:29.000]  And that was pretty fun.
[04:29.000 --> 04:31.000]  Uh, but this was just a weird.
[04:31.000 --> 04:33.000]  Pretty doing six skateboard tricks.
[04:33.000 --> 04:34.000]  It was, uh, no, at the time.
[04:34.000 --> 04:35.000]  I don't know.
[04:35.000 --> 04:38.000]  I was doing a rail off of the other side.
[04:38.000 --> 04:42.000]  Oh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh.
[04:42.000 --> 04:44.000]  Is that the costume extra Mr. John?
[04:44.000 --> 04:45.000]  Mm-hmm.
[04:45.000 --> 04:46.000]  Uh, yeah.
[04:46.000 --> 04:47.000]  Yeah.
[04:47.000 --> 04:48.000]  She loved me a long time.
[04:48.000 --> 04:49.000]  Oh, dear.
[04:49.000 --> 04:50.000]  Okay.
[04:50.000 --> 04:51.000]  Well, that's terrific.
[04:51.000 --> 04:53.000]  But anyway, in this instance,
[04:53.000 --> 04:58.000]  I sat in what was effectively about part of the public traffic down the street.
[04:58.000 --> 04:59.000]  Oh, really?
[04:59.000 --> 05:00.000]  Really?
[05:00.000 --> 05:01.000]  Desending a hill.
[05:01.000 --> 05:02.000]  Both sides.
[05:02.000 --> 05:05.000]  And I was like, uh, these houses got to be $6 million a piece.
[05:05.000 --> 05:06.000]  Uh-huh.
[05:06.000 --> 05:08.000]  That's the world's shittiest slalom.
[05:08.000 --> 05:09.000]  Wow.
[05:09.000 --> 05:10.000]  What a nightmare.
[05:10.000 --> 05:11.000]  Yeah.
[05:11.000 --> 05:12.000]  It's real bad.
[05:12.000 --> 05:14.000]  I, but again, I just want to say I understand.
[05:14.000 --> 05:16.000]  Uh, shittiest slalom.
[05:16.000 --> 05:17.000]  That's pretty good.
[05:17.000 --> 05:19.000]  Um, uh, so, uh, okay.
[05:19.000 --> 05:22.000]  So, uh, so the thing is though, I'm so sorry.
[05:22.000 --> 05:23.000]  Hello.
[05:23.000 --> 05:24.000]  Christmas.
[05:24.000 --> 05:26.000]  So, you got the quite tower.
[05:26.000 --> 05:30.000]  Uh, and, and for, for our listeners out there, uh, who, like, these sorts of things, it's spelled
[05:30.000 --> 05:32.000]  C-O-I-T.
[05:32.000 --> 05:35.000]  Now, there is a radio station in San Francisco.
[05:35.000 --> 05:39.000]  I bet there's a radio station a lot like this in most cities.
[05:39.000 --> 05:43.000]  And they, there's a radio station called K-O-I-T.
[05:43.000 --> 05:50.000]  And K-O-I-T has cornered the market on one of the most important contemporary roles
[05:50.000 --> 05:53.000]  of radio, which is we play music.
[05:53.000 --> 05:57.000]  Nobody likes, but nobody can object too much to.
[05:57.000 --> 05:58.000]  Oh, that's so good.
[05:58.000 --> 06:00.000]  It's good in stores.
[06:00.000 --> 06:05.000]  And actually, if you go in the elevator, this is, this was, this was a fun.
[06:05.000 --> 06:07.000]  Had on a hat that guy moment.
[06:07.000 --> 06:10.000]  Uh, first time I wanted to go in tower, I was in the elevator for quite
[06:10.000 --> 06:12.000]  tower going up the elevator, quite tower.
[06:12.000 --> 06:16.000]  It is playing the elevator, literal elevator music is K-O-I-T.
[06:16.000 --> 06:18.000]  It's a little loud on the nose.
[06:18.000 --> 06:19.000]  Uh-huh.
[06:19.000 --> 06:20.000]  Yeah.
[06:20.000 --> 06:23.000]  I mean, it's like having an animatronic Richard Lewis at your club or something.
[06:23.000 --> 06:24.000]  It's a little.
[06:24.000 --> 06:26.000]  But anyhow, uh, and so that plays.
[06:26.000 --> 06:27.000]  Now, here's what I want to say about this.
[06:27.000 --> 06:28.000]  You get to cool enough five.
[06:28.000 --> 06:29.000]  You got your 98 rock.
[06:29.000 --> 06:30.000]  You got to play the rock songs.
[06:30.000 --> 06:31.000]  And one of these came up.
[06:31.000 --> 06:35.000]  I was listening to the, uh, the Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special soundtrack.
[06:35.000 --> 06:36.000]  Great.
[06:36.000 --> 06:37.000]  Great TV show.
[06:37.000 --> 06:38.000]  Great music.
[06:38.000 --> 06:40.000]  The Guardians of the Galaxy.
[06:40.000 --> 06:41.000]  Yeah.
[06:41.000 --> 06:43.000]  Uh, has a TV show?
[06:43.000 --> 06:44.000]  Uh, yes.
[06:44.000 --> 06:45.000]  Yes.
[06:45.000 --> 06:48.000]  In the same spirit has, like, the Star Wars holiday special, I guess.
[06:48.000 --> 06:52.000]  Oh, oh, oh, I saw this on the, on the, on the, the, uh, the menu.
[06:52.000 --> 06:53.000]  I saw it on the menu.
[06:53.000 --> 06:55.000]  It really, it really knows what it is.
[06:55.000 --> 06:58.000]  And is I, I will just say on two viewings of it.
[06:58.000 --> 07:00.000]  It might be an instant classic because it's really sweet.
[07:00.000 --> 07:01.000]  But it knows what it is.
[07:01.000 --> 07:05.000]  It has got, well, 97's just as aliens, which is nice.
[07:05.000 --> 07:06.000]  Uh-huh.
[07:06.000 --> 07:07.000]  I was listening to that.
[07:07.000 --> 07:08.000]  And you know, the Spotify.
[07:08.000 --> 07:09.000]  I don't know how much he Spotify.
[07:09.000 --> 07:10.000]  It's my main music thing.
[07:10.000 --> 07:11.000]  Zero amount.
[07:11.000 --> 07:14.000]  I know you make a lot of bang off of that.
[07:14.000 --> 07:15.000]  I've seen the picture.
[07:15.000 --> 07:16.000]  The long winters is just your big face.
[07:16.000 --> 07:17.000]  Yeah.
[07:17.000 --> 07:18.000]  Where are that?
[07:18.000 --> 07:19.000]  Yeah. Oh, no, I wasn't.
[07:19.000 --> 07:20.000]  Really?
[07:20.000 --> 07:21.000]  It's a little bit else in it.
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[09:44.000 --> 09:48.000]  When you want to play a list on Spotify ends, it does of course because it's Spotify.
[09:48.000 --> 09:51.000]  It doesn't really can't eat job of playing other stuff that you would like.
[09:51.000 --> 09:55.000]  So the very first thing that comes up is one, I can very much locate.
[09:55.000 --> 09:59.000]  I'm going to let's call the year, let's call it, we're going to case the case in this shit.
[09:59.000 --> 10:01.000]  Let's call it 1981.
[10:01.000 --> 10:04.000]  December 1981.
[10:04.000 --> 10:05.000]  1981.
[10:05.000 --> 10:09.000]  This long distance dedication goes out too.
[10:09.000 --> 10:10.000]  It goes out too.
[10:10.000 --> 10:11.000]  To let you out.
[10:11.000 --> 10:13.000]  Who died recently.
[10:13.000 --> 10:15.000]  His name was Rafifi.
[10:15.000 --> 10:17.000]  And you know, came on.
[10:17.000 --> 10:19.000]  Father Christmas by the Kings.
[10:19.000 --> 10:21.000]  Yeah.
[10:21.000 --> 10:23.000]  Father Christmas, give me some money.
[10:23.000 --> 10:25.000]  Yep, game machine gun will beat you up.
[10:25.000 --> 10:27.000]  Don't make us annoyed.
[10:27.000 --> 10:31.000]  Yeah, it's a, it's a real, it's a drugie, drugie song.
[10:31.000 --> 10:35.000]  It's very drugie and of that time when, what?
[10:35.000 --> 10:37.000]  The Kings were in the probably at that point.
[10:37.000 --> 10:39.000]  They're fourth big movement.
[10:39.000 --> 10:46.000]  They'd gone from British invasion to British pastoral to, like, they did their country stuff.
[10:46.000 --> 10:47.000]  I'm as well.
[10:47.000 --> 10:50.000]  And then they had that run in the mid 70s where they were a fucking cock.
[10:50.000 --> 10:53.000]  And they were so good.
[10:53.000 --> 10:54.000]  They had that great live record.
[10:54.000 --> 10:57.000]  And I guess around the punk-ish era.
[10:57.000 --> 11:00.000]  They recorded, you know, Father Christmas.
[11:00.000 --> 11:04.000]  Now having opened that particular door, are there any other tunes?
[11:04.000 --> 11:05.000]  I'll give you a hint.
[11:05.000 --> 11:09.000]  One of them is the Christmas is the time to say I love you by Billy Square.
[11:09.000 --> 11:13.000]  Are there any other tunes to fall out of that closet when I open that door in your mind?
[11:13.000 --> 11:14.000]  Oh, yeah.
[11:14.000 --> 11:15.000]  And I hate them.
[11:15.000 --> 11:18.000]  What about a certain song by, uh, Paul McCartney Wings?
[11:18.000 --> 11:20.000]  I don't like it, but it's not the worst.
[11:20.000 --> 11:21.000]  Well, I don't know.
[11:21.000 --> 11:21.000]  Okay.
[11:21.000 --> 11:23.000]  The worst one is the one by wham.
[11:23.000 --> 11:26.000]  Oh, last Christmas.
[11:26.000 --> 11:27.000]  Oh, don't do it.
[11:27.000 --> 11:28.000]  Don't even get it in there.
[11:28.000 --> 11:30.000]  I woke up this morning and I had to do.
[11:30.000 --> 11:33.000]  I was, I had some weird dreams last night, some fun dreams.
[11:33.000 --> 11:35.000]  Save it for the Patreon.
[11:35.000 --> 11:37.000]  Patreon.com slash whatever it is.
[11:37.000 --> 11:39.000]  But one of the dreams, one of the dreams.
[11:39.000 --> 11:43.000]  There was, there was a, I was, I was running for politics in Colorado.
[11:43.000 --> 11:51.000]  And my component was running on a beans and latrines platform and his beam.
[11:51.000 --> 11:54.000]  Is that, is that a populist American version of bread and circuses?
[11:54.000 --> 11:55.000]  Something like that.
[11:55.000 --> 11:57.000]  Yeah, we're going to deliver to the people.
[11:57.000 --> 11:58.000]  We're going to deliver to the people.
[11:58.000 --> 11:59.000]  Uh-huh.
[11:59.000 --> 12:06.000]  And, uh, and his theme music was, um, uh, garden party by Ricky Nelson.
[12:06.000 --> 12:07.000]  That's a great song.
[12:07.000 --> 12:11.000]  And I woke up and I was like, oh, no, don't please don't get that stuck in your head.
[12:11.000 --> 12:12.000]  No, no, no, no, no.
[12:12.000 --> 12:13.000]  Please don't, please don't.
[12:13.000 --> 12:14.000]  And I started.
[12:14.000 --> 12:15.000]  It's like, it's like that domiclain song.
[12:15.000 --> 12:18.000]  It's like, it's, it's so long and so mid tempo.
[12:18.000 --> 12:21.000]  And it just does the same thing right in there.
[12:21.000 --> 12:22.000]  Oh, yeah.
[12:22.000 --> 12:23.000]  And I was like, don't do it.
[12:23.000 --> 12:24.000]  And I, I want to see.
[12:24.000 --> 12:27.000]  He got into a garden party to reminisce with some old friends.
[12:27.000 --> 12:29.000]  Oh, well, in the song.
[12:29.000 --> 12:32.000]  Yeah, but it's actually a song about him playing a show.
[12:32.000 --> 12:35.000]  Like, or like, he was, you know, he's a teen star.
[12:35.000 --> 12:36.000]  Yeah.
[12:36.000 --> 12:41.000]  And in the 70s, he played some like 50s revival show with Chuck Berry and
[12:41.000 --> 12:43.000]  all this at one of his like, like,
[12:43.000 --> 12:45.000]  like, his tours, like, big star did.
[12:45.000 --> 12:47.000]  You come out with two songs or like, sorry, like that.
[12:47.000 --> 12:48.000]  Not big star.
[12:48.000 --> 12:51.000]  But, you know, has been before that that did the letter.
[12:51.000 --> 12:53.000]  Like, you come out and like, do a song.
[12:53.000 --> 12:56.000]  And like, you could be some Motown band that nobody's ever heard of.
[12:56.000 --> 12:58.000]  You come out and do a carnival.
[12:58.000 --> 12:59.000]  Kind of thing.
[12:59.000 --> 13:00.000]  I think.
[13:00.000 --> 13:01.000]  But it wasn't a tour.
[13:01.000 --> 13:05.000]  It was just like, hey, we're going to get this was before the 50s had made the 60s.
[13:05.000 --> 13:07.000]  Look like the 40s or whatever that.
[13:07.000 --> 13:09.000]  Early 70s, the 50s were big.
[13:09.000 --> 13:10.000]  Yeah.
[13:10.000 --> 13:13.000]  And 70s were going to make the 50s look like the 90s.
[13:13.000 --> 13:14.000]  90s.
[13:14.000 --> 13:15.000]  Yeah.
[13:15.000 --> 13:17.000]  He came out and got booed.
[13:17.000 --> 13:18.000]  Oh, Ricky.
[13:18.000 --> 13:20.000]  No, no, Ricky Nelson got booed.
[13:20.000 --> 13:22.000]  Yeah, because everybody there, you know,
[13:22.000 --> 13:25.000]  they were probably a bunch of guys and denim hippies, you know,
[13:25.000 --> 13:26.000]  meanies.
[13:26.000 --> 13:28.000]  And they were like, they were like some CCRI that.
[13:28.000 --> 13:31.000]  Yeah, we want some, well, no, it was the 50s revival.
[13:31.000 --> 13:32.000]  And they wanted rock and roll.
[13:32.000 --> 13:34.000]  They wanted, you know, blues.
[13:34.000 --> 13:36.000]  And Ricky Nelson came out of boo.
[13:36.000 --> 13:38.000]  So he, uh, so his last hit.
[13:38.000 --> 13:43.000]  He wrote this like pretty snarky, uh, went to a garden party type of song
[13:43.000 --> 13:45.000]  where it was, you know, the subtext was,
[13:45.000 --> 13:47.000]  I got booed at Madison Square Garden because they wanted a little
[13:47.000 --> 13:48.000]  Richard.
[13:48.000 --> 13:49.000]  No shit.
[13:49.000 --> 13:51.000]  Anyway, so I'm in the house and I'm like,
[13:51.000 --> 13:53.000]  I do not want to have that song in my head,
[13:53.000 --> 13:56.000]  especially not getting in out of some dumb dreamscape.
[13:56.000 --> 13:59.000]  And so I started singing the, I started singing.
[13:59.000 --> 14:03.000]  I couldn't, you know, you can never, you can never think of a song
[14:03.000 --> 14:05.000]  to sing to dislodge a bad song.
[14:05.000 --> 14:07.000]  And I don't know where my brain went.
[14:07.000 --> 14:10.000]  But it started singing the soprano's theme.
[14:10.000 --> 14:13.000]  And I was like, no, no, no, no, maybe.
[14:13.000 --> 14:15.000]  I don't want that in my head either.
[14:15.000 --> 14:18.000]  And then I thankfully came over here to talk to you.
[14:18.000 --> 14:21.000]  And you're going to get wham's last Christmas stuck in my head.
[14:21.000 --> 14:22.000]  I won't have it.
[14:22.000 --> 14:23.000]  I won't have it.
[14:23.000 --> 14:25.000]  I normally don't look at the internet when we're recording.
[14:25.000 --> 14:29.000]  But I know, I feel like I heard there's a universal ish.
[14:29.000 --> 14:32.000]  Get a song out of your head.
[14:32.000 --> 14:37.000]  What's the German's calling earworm?
[14:37.000 --> 14:39.000]  Oh, is that right?
[14:39.000 --> 14:40.000]  You're in a woman.
[14:40.000 --> 14:41.000]  They call it earworm.
[14:41.000 --> 14:42.000]  Yeah.
[14:42.000 --> 14:44.000]  And I think it's got a diagnosis.
[14:44.000 --> 14:46.000]  Get a song out of your head.
[14:46.000 --> 14:48.000]  Um, is there a month?
[14:48.000 --> 14:49.000]  Oh, God.
[14:49.000 --> 14:50.000]  No.
[14:50.000 --> 14:51.000]  It looks like it might be Wiki how.
[14:51.000 --> 14:52.000]  Oh, no.
[14:52.000 --> 14:53.000]  It's a call to you today.
[14:53.000 --> 14:55.000]  Don't go to psychology today.
[14:55.000 --> 14:57.000]  It's always to get rid of earworms.
[14:57.000 --> 14:59.000]  Um, get a song out of your head.
[14:59.000 --> 15:01.000]  You know, I'll, I'll, I'll find out for the patron.
[15:01.000 --> 15:04.000]  But, um, I think we've talked about this.
[15:04.000 --> 15:07.000]  But, uh, but I'm going to say it again.
[15:07.000 --> 15:08.000]  Yeah.
[15:08.000 --> 15:12.000]  I don't remember wham's last Christmas.
[15:12.000 --> 15:13.000]  No.
[15:13.000 --> 15:14.000]  In the time.
[15:14.000 --> 15:16.000]  And it's well, we're hearing it.
[15:16.000 --> 15:19.000]  It was like, it wasn't like the year after Carol's whisper.
[15:19.000 --> 15:20.000]  I don't, I don't know.
[15:20.000 --> 15:22.000]  But, you know, it was that era where it was like,
[15:22.000 --> 15:23.000]  Do they know it's Christmas time?
[15:23.000 --> 15:26.000]  Everybody had a, everybody had a song.
[15:26.000 --> 15:31.000]  Yeah.
[15:31.000 --> 15:32.000]  But, yeah.
[15:32.000 --> 15:33.000]  No, it was 84.
[15:33.000 --> 15:35.000]  It was absolutely their peak moment.
[15:35.000 --> 15:37.000]  And I never felt a song song.
[15:37.000 --> 15:39.000]  John, the prom song in 1985.
[15:39.000 --> 15:41.000]  Was last Christmas.
[15:41.000 --> 15:42.000]  So now.
[15:42.000 --> 15:45.000]  I would rather add than bad boys stick together.
[15:45.000 --> 15:47.000]  Never sad boys.
[15:47.000 --> 15:48.000]  Did, did, did, did.
[15:48.000 --> 15:49.000]  Woo, woo.
[15:49.000 --> 15:51.000]  That's a much better way.
[15:51.000 --> 15:52.000]  I'm so happy.
[15:52.000 --> 15:55.000]  Did I tell you what happened at our, at our, at our prom song,
[15:55.000 --> 15:58.000]  I love to hear it was a thing where it was heard.
[15:58.000 --> 16:00.000]  That was really mostly it.
[16:00.000 --> 16:04.000]  The other ones were obviously the, simply having a wonderful Christmas time.
[16:04.000 --> 16:07.000]  Which, which and you're, you're, I can deal with that one.
[16:07.000 --> 16:08.000]  Yeah, yeah.
[16:08.000 --> 16:11.000]  He's having a lot of fun with digital delay.
[16:11.000 --> 16:15.000]  I watched, I watched a really good Queen concert from 1977, The Other Night.
[16:15.000 --> 16:18.000]  And there was three different segments where somebody got to come out and
[16:18.000 --> 16:20.000]  Dick around with a digital delay.
[16:20.000 --> 16:24.000]  Brian May, who wonderfully, I mean, you, you know on those early records.
[16:24.000 --> 16:30.080]  records. He does that. Learn this from the hotlicks. He would do this crazy things with
[16:30.080 --> 16:35.280]  his amp. Had three different delays. So center was live signal. Left was first delay. Right
[16:35.280 --> 16:39.280]  was next delay. It must have been bananas to hear. John, I sort of Christ. It was so
[16:39.280 --> 16:43.360]  must have gone on for 17 minutes. And then Freddy came out and did his live-aid thing
[16:43.360 --> 16:48.560]  that he would not live-aid thing. I was later. But you know the little way. He did that thing.
[16:48.560 --> 16:57.120]  And then finally who sings a little of my car that Roger or John Deacon Roger. Roger the drummer
[16:57.120 --> 17:00.960]  comes out and he gets to do some digital delay stuff too. I think people used to get to come out
[17:00.960 --> 17:06.160]  and fuck around with whatever's called the minute made or whatever. You get to you know change the
[17:06.160 --> 17:12.800]  decay and shit like that. But anyhow that was really pretty much it was wonderful. Christmas
[17:12.800 --> 17:19.200]  time we're Paul Dixon around with some delay and some moose moog. But you know so you wait where were we?
[17:20.240 --> 17:25.760]  Uh oh well I don't understand how the first time I heard the wham song.
[17:25.760 --> 17:31.680]  Yes. Oh yes sorry sorry the wham huge big George Michael is he's got a bullet the
[17:31.680 --> 17:39.520]  kids go in place is 1984 they were everywhere and and then I'm with you John and I was listening to
[17:39.520 --> 17:45.440]  the radio and had a girlfriend so I was listening to a lot of Christmas music and I don't remember
[17:45.440 --> 17:51.120]  that song at all. The first time I heard that I think I heard a cover of it and and I thought
[17:51.120 --> 17:56.080]  well this is the worst song I've ever heard and then I started hearing it and I and I heard it
[17:56.080 --> 18:00.560]  enough that I was like what is this terrible song and how do I what do I what do how do I have
[18:00.560 --> 18:07.360]  the tune life so that I never hear it again and then I realized it was wham and then I realized
[18:07.360 --> 18:12.960]  it was from 1984 and I thought this is the example of the ultimate gas lighting. The ultimate gas
[18:12.960 --> 18:18.240]  lighting this is more than baron stain bears. Oh this is the Mandel Mandel effect thing where yeah.
[18:18.240 --> 18:23.920]  Well it wasn't but it didn't exist it did not exist prior to 2000 and when did this happen?
[18:23.920 --> 18:29.360]  2013 probably that I heard it for the first time. I kind of like liked the Mariah Carey song
[18:29.360 --> 18:35.520]  it had this there's a wonderful episode of Hipperaid that the podcast I like about the
[18:35.520 --> 18:42.800]  pop charts about Mariah Carey and her insane achievement with with that one song but that song
[18:42.800 --> 18:46.880]  within the song come out in the 90s but like the way I'm song it's like somebody found it
[18:46.880 --> 18:52.080]  in the in a back closet and suddenly last Christmas was everywhere and it isn't it long I feel
[18:52.080 --> 18:58.080]  like it's long. Oh god it feels like eternal and I'm really hoping that that does happen
[18:58.080 --> 19:02.160]  to the Christmas record I made with Jonathan Colton because it's possible that that will still
[19:02.160 --> 19:08.000]  one day make me a million dollars so far it is not it made me a maybe a single dollar. I mean there's
[19:08.000 --> 19:11.920]  that one pavements on I read an article I don't remember why this happened but this is one
[19:11.920 --> 19:19.280]  pavement song it's not carrot rope but it's something from twilight territory like there's this
[19:19.280 --> 19:25.360]  bizarre anomaly where this one pavement song has gotten into some kind of like lists that they
[19:25.360 --> 19:30.320]  play in stores or something and the top pavements song it's not any summer babe or cut your
[19:30.320 --> 19:36.240]  hair or you know tripped like it was like yeah it's like this one like obscure b-side that's what
[19:36.240 --> 19:42.320]  you need you need the wikipedia a Hanukkah song to start playing at a hot topic or whatever you'll
[19:42.320 --> 19:50.320]  be gt gt gt you know I'm saying somebody somebody told me that a famous movie director
[19:51.200 --> 19:58.640]  who is famous for having made some you know famous movies you know it is but you're not saying oh
[19:58.640 --> 20:03.680]  no I mean I can no I'm not asking you to but like you somebody were like you go oh that guy
[20:03.680 --> 20:09.040]  no it's Cameron Crow oh I know him and he is famous but he's all he was also for a long time married
[20:09.840 --> 20:17.680]  to Nancy well no Beth Wilson no that one of the Wilson sisters wait Anne and no it's not
[20:17.680 --> 20:22.320]  Anne it was Nancy it's a blonde the longer the Targaryen he was married to Nancy and lived in Seattle
[20:22.320 --> 20:26.720]  and you must see out a small community sure everybody knows each other and somebody said somebody
[20:26.720 --> 20:32.560]  in the music publishing business said oh Cameron Crow's a fan of the long winters and ever since then
[20:33.120 --> 20:37.760]  I've been thinking oh I really hope the Cameron Crow makes a space movie someday I really hope
[20:37.760 --> 20:42.720]  the Cameron Crow makes a space movie someday and you get played at the end you're you're that song
[20:42.720 --> 20:46.640]  like that fucking like there's that who's who's that band where they play their play
[20:46.640 --> 20:52.640]  each other's heads like helmets like drums they have that song at the end of um of uh Hunger Games
[20:52.640 --> 20:58.080]  and it's incredibly effective what's the name of that fucking band the mentors I guess so yeah
[20:58.080 --> 21:03.280]  then they didn't want to you need that man you need like he does his space and like that
[21:03.280 --> 21:08.400]  plays over the credits and people just sitting there fucking bawling be huge that that's the thing
[21:08.400 --> 21:15.280]  remember I mean I it's we've said it a thousand times but but you know the VW ad
[21:15.280 --> 21:24.720]  uh that that reintroduced or or introduced the world to um no the the the the the first
[21:24.720 --> 21:28.320]  thing moon pink moon pink pink pink pink pink pink pink pink pink pink pink pink pink pink
[21:28.320 --> 21:33.200]  uh and and I was a good ad I was a good really great ad and I remember I remember going
[21:33.200 --> 21:40.960]  into a record store and uh and pink and pink moon had a sticker on it that said as heard in the
[21:40.960 --> 21:47.440]  that looks like an ad. Yes. And at the time, that was maybe one of the, maybe one of the
[21:47.440 --> 21:54.880]  early times when I really felt the full brunt of the people in my culture all saying,
[21:54.880 --> 22:00.400]  oh, I've been listening to that record the whole time. And knowing that that wasn't true.
[22:01.600 --> 22:06.640]  Scott McClick. Scott McClick. Scott McClick. Scott McClick from the Empress Fellows has definitely
[22:06.640 --> 22:13.200]  been listening to Pinkmoon the whole time. So has Wesley Stace. But Scott McClick would be listening
[22:13.200 --> 22:17.200]  to shit that reminds you of nuggets, but would never be as popular as nuggets. Yeah, that guy,
[22:17.200 --> 22:21.600]  that guy's guy. He's like a Pollard. I bet that guy's got some deep catalog. Her block,
[22:21.600 --> 22:28.480]  uh, listen, Pinkmoon, uh, one million times before I was born. And he's not that much older than me,
[22:28.480 --> 22:35.760]  you know. But the, the number of people who were my age who were from my world that actually were
[22:35.760 --> 22:42.160]  conscious of Nick Drake was not as many as claimed to be. And that was a, that was a profound,
[22:42.160 --> 22:46.560]  well, I opened it for me, I've just walking around like, oh, right. This happened. I remember
[22:46.560 --> 22:52.800]  this in the early 90s, what all of a sudden, everybody I met had been the one punk kid at their
[22:52.800 --> 22:56.960]  high school. Do you remember that, that phase where you're like, hey, you know, you're sitting around
[22:56.960 --> 23:01.440]  a party. Yeah, you know, what did David, David Sidairus talks about this one was books being the
[23:01.440 --> 23:06.160]  weird kid at your school, the like slightly goth kid. And then going to college and there's like,
[23:06.160 --> 23:10.560]  there's like hundreds of people that are like you, but do it better. Well, but the problem
[23:10.560 --> 23:15.760]  is to be the obscure one. Yeah. If everybody I met in Seattle in 1992 had been the weird kid in
[23:15.760 --> 23:22.000]  their high school, there wouldn't be any normal kids in America. You ran the numbers because,
[23:22.000 --> 23:28.880]  I mean, I remember the weird kid in my high school, new wave day, and new wave day, new wave day.
[23:28.880 --> 23:35.200]  I want to know everything about new wave day, new wave day, showed up at East Anchorage High School
[23:35.200 --> 23:45.680]  in 1982 or 1982 with a mohawk, a full on mohawk and no one in the world was
[23:46.640 --> 23:52.240]  braver than new wave day because he just had it all out there. He just showed up and he was,
[23:52.240 --> 23:57.840]  he was fully leaning into his love. There was no punk rock at East Anchorage High School. There was
[23:57.840 --> 24:04.800]  no under current. There was no like cool kid with eyeliner. There was no buddy with Robert Smith
[24:04.800 --> 24:13.360]  hair. None of that existed yet. All there was was rocker dudes and football dudes. And I mean,
[24:13.360 --> 24:18.240]  there were four kinds of people, right? They were like 80, 80. Yeah. Right. You had the breakfast club
[24:18.240 --> 24:22.720]  compliment. Well, except a big sub before even that, there wasn't even a girl with dandruff and
[24:22.720 --> 24:30.720]  eyeliner. It was just guys and painters caps that played football and hockey. There were dudes
[24:30.720 --> 24:37.440]  and denim who smoked weed in the in the smokey area. Is it called hasures? No, we didn't call
[24:37.440 --> 24:43.840]  them hasures. We call them stoners. We call them ladies. And then there was like 85% oh and then
[24:43.840 --> 24:51.040]  there were like the the kids that were going to college. And then there was 85% of the school
[24:51.040 --> 24:58.080]  of those preps. And that became prep. Yeah, so shes. 85% of the people that no one ever knew about
[24:58.080 --> 25:06.320]  or heard about. And you know, and of course, there were there weren't other types. And then
[25:06.320 --> 25:14.000]  he walked into the school with this mohawk and he got beat up so much. Oh no. He wasn't like a little
[25:14.000 --> 25:22.240]  like a kid that would would get pushed around. He was a he was like a guy that could defend himself
[25:22.240 --> 25:29.600]  but he just got gained like like like really tortured and he never wavered. And I what I can't
[25:29.600 --> 25:35.360]  claim to have been a friend of new wave Dave. I remember sitting in you know in the lunchroom and
[25:35.360 --> 25:41.280]  watching him walk into it and thinking to myself, why would you do that to yourself? My god, like
[25:41.280 --> 25:49.360]  yeah, why would you why wouldn't you try to just put a hat on and keep your head down because
[25:49.360 --> 25:54.720]  he walked into the lunchroom and it was just like, I mean, every day. I know cat calls. So
[25:55.600 --> 26:00.320]  and it's funny. I mean, like, people, I mean, people including or especially me like to shine
[26:00.320 --> 26:05.440]  this turd and go like, oh, I was an outsider. I was blah, blah, blah, blah. I wanted to be accepted by
[26:05.440 --> 26:11.040]  anybody and everybody. And if I could be accepted by somebody of like when I somehow ended up
[26:11.040 --> 26:17.760]  I'm not proud of this, but like when I somehow fell in with the cool soccer kids, it was such a step
[26:17.760 --> 26:22.800]  up for me for a while. I would love to sit here and go, oh, I'm gonna go stand up for new wave
[26:22.800 --> 26:28.160]  Dave. But the truth is, I would just keep my head down and hope that like I didn't, you know what I mean?
[26:28.160 --> 26:32.800]  Like, and in retrospect, you can admire it. But at the time, you're like, don't you have any sense of
[26:32.800 --> 26:38.640]  self interest? Yeah, just like just new wave Dave, I'm desperate for you to not get treated this way
[26:38.640 --> 26:46.240]  because it makes me feel terrible. But I wasn't like, I didn't even feel that much sympathy for him
[26:46.800 --> 26:51.120]  in the sense that I just felt like you're bringing it all on yourself. And then later on,
[26:51.760 --> 26:57.920]  later on when when like I actually met new wave Dave and then there was that moment where all of a sudden
[26:58.720 --> 27:03.520]  it's not like, you know, I graduated in 86. There was never a moment at East Anchorage Highway.
[27:03.520 --> 27:11.920]  There was suddenly a punk group. There was then James Swanson had a tattoo and there were going to like
[27:11.920 --> 27:18.800]  really, yeah, he got a tattoo skull in a top hat smoking a joint. And it was 1985, 1986 though.
[27:18.800 --> 27:24.240]  That's still, that's pretty radical. Well, and it was, it was radical. He wasn't 18. And also,
[27:24.240 --> 27:30.960]  it was, that is not a very punk tattoo. But he was punk and I think it was already ironic.
[27:30.960 --> 27:37.680]  He was already being ironic about a skull with a top hat smoking a joint. What are you talking about?
[27:37.680 --> 27:44.160]  I found Tom Shutter for college in 1987. Oh, you're after me. He had a beautiful, like,
[27:44.160 --> 27:47.920]  I don't want to say foot of realistic, but you know, like sometimes you get like, whether it's the
[27:47.920 --> 27:54.000]  thrush, what you look at or whatever. Yeah, or like, it's like, he had the most gorgeous
[27:54.000 --> 28:00.560]  Sherman from Peabody and Sherman on his upper arm. And it looked like it had been drawn by,
[28:00.560 --> 28:04.880]  I guess, Jay Ward. He was perfect. No, but like, he used to be a shitty tattoo.
[28:04.880 --> 28:10.720]  If you were a sailor. And that was pretty much it. You see young people with, with, with,
[28:10.720 --> 28:15.760]  you get your left ear pierced the straight ear. But nobody had a tattoo. Nobody had a tattoo.
[28:15.760 --> 28:21.520]  One, what happened, what, what happened in 1992 was sitting around all these house parties,
[28:21.520 --> 28:26.480]  you know, everybody fucked up on drugs. And one, after another, after another person,
[28:26.480 --> 28:34.880]  trying to tell me that they were the new wave-dave of their school. And I knew for a fact that
[28:34.880 --> 28:41.920]  these jokers were not the new wave-daves of their school. They were, they were posers. And it wasn't
[28:41.920 --> 28:47.520]  that they were posers then, you know, at the time, they're just as drunk as shitty party as I was.
[28:47.520 --> 28:53.120]  Yeah. But they're trying to, they're trying to retcon the fact that they didn't hop on
[28:54.160 --> 28:59.760]  the punk rock train with the minute men, which is when they probably did, they were not on the
[28:59.760 --> 29:04.560]  punk rock train with, well, I don't remember what it would even what had been.
[29:04.560 --> 29:09.120]  Crasse. I mean, who knows, who knows what new wave-dave was? Well, the, like, yeah, exactly. I mean,
[29:09.120 --> 29:12.880]  I could have been the use listening to, I mean, like, there was like, I'm not going to say
[29:12.880 --> 29:17.440]  there's a word we can't use anymore. And art F. But there was a certain term for, like,
[29:17.440 --> 29:22.800]  a not quite goth kid who listened to stuff like icicle works or, you know, was for the
[29:22.800 --> 29:29.200]  screen or listened to the felt or listened to, you know, even split ends were kind of like
[29:29.200 --> 29:34.240]  already back then. But, you know, it was not cool to listen to stuff that wasn't
[29:34.240 --> 29:40.240]  thunderous. Like, when I was a senior, there were some denim kids who were into Metallica,
[29:40.240 --> 29:45.280]  but not a lot, like 85, like not a lot. They were, they were listening to ride the lightning and
[29:45.280 --> 29:48.800]  stuff like that. But there was not a big contingent. There was more, there was a larger,
[29:48.800 --> 29:52.320]  John, there was a larger contingent of break dancing kids than punk rock kids in my school.
[29:52.320 --> 29:57.520]  Oh, on mine, too. Absolutely. 100% which is a different kind of being an outsider and getting beat up
[29:57.520 --> 30:04.240]  for sure. Let's not a bicycle. It became, it became immediately the mainstream culture that you
[30:04.240 --> 30:09.280]  did not, you did not tread upon that part of the student center. Because, I mean, I've told you
[30:09.280 --> 30:16.240]  the story about the time there was a break dancing circle in my high school, not in the
[30:16.240 --> 30:22.560]  lunch room, but in the student center in the middle of the school at lunch time. And people break
[30:22.560 --> 30:28.160]  in and, you know, tapping you and tapping. They had a boombox. There was a boombox and there
[30:28.160 --> 30:33.360]  was, and it was a big circle. It was not, you know, people were doing real tricks and I jumped
[30:33.360 --> 30:40.800]  into the center of it and did my fake ass like not know how to break dance break dance.
[30:40.800 --> 30:45.600]  Please, buddy rocking, John. I was doing a lot and I, a lot of different things, popping lock and
[30:45.600 --> 30:52.960]  sure. And then I got down in the parking rest for a minute. I got down on the floor and spun around.
[30:52.960 --> 30:59.120]  And as I was spinning, somebody kicked me. Don't come on. And I, and I stopped and I looked
[30:59.120 --> 31:06.320]  up and it was a, it was a, a very unappreciative crowd. They did not think that I was funny.
[31:06.320 --> 31:12.960]  And I was like, which, the, the bounce up and bounced out of there. And I was beef. I was trying
[31:12.960 --> 31:20.640]  to be funny as I was when I did everything. Sure. But I also deeply appreciated break dancing
[31:20.640 --> 31:27.120]  and rap music. And I was, and I really wanted to be, I wanted to be funny. But I, you know,
[31:27.120 --> 31:32.240]  I thought I was a member of a thing that I wasn't a member of. But you weren't part of the,
[31:32.240 --> 31:36.480]  yeah, I think they were called a crew back then. No, I didn't, well, I had a crew. My white
[31:36.480 --> 31:43.440]  fresh crew, the, where we sat around. That's true. And did that rap. But that crew was not recognized
[31:43.440 --> 31:50.240]  within the larger community of my high school as being an authentic crew. And so that's
[31:50.240 --> 31:56.560]  sarcasm, it's not a lifestyle. So I was not, I mean, it's not the first time that being funny
[31:56.560 --> 32:04.960]  came to came home to roost. Yeah. First hip hop hip hop ish song. I mean, I, there's because I was
[32:04.960 --> 32:09.600]  a white kid in Central Florida listening to the radio. I mean, I have flashball moments of like,
[32:10.320 --> 32:15.440]  you know, I remember one night, the first time I ever heard numbers, for some reason, some crazy
[32:15.440 --> 32:23.680]  DJ at like 10 something, and then I played numbers by, um, craftwork, which became really big in hip
[32:23.680 --> 32:31.680]  hop, hip hop, you know, the I'm side, drive you along too. That song, that's the earliest thing.
[32:31.680 --> 32:35.120]  Well, and then there were like there was joky songs later on. You'd have passed the Dutchy.
[32:35.120 --> 32:41.200]  The first, like hip hop, we didn't call it that. The first rap song I ever felt deeply
[32:41.200 --> 32:48.400]  in love with was jam on it. Jam on it. Jam on it. Jam on it. So much. That was probably
[32:48.400 --> 32:54.800]  84 85, and I was obsessed. I love that song so much. And that was, it was so far a field from
[32:54.800 --> 32:58.800]  everything else that I liked. But me, you know, maybe there was a little wiki wiki wiki
[32:58.800 --> 33:02.320]  wiki shut up. I don't know what it was, but I love the song. And if you haven't seen the video
[33:02.320 --> 33:07.120]  in a while, John, I don't want to send you too many videos. I do it a lot, but you really
[33:07.120 --> 33:14.080]  ought to go treat yourself to the nucleus that's spelled NWCLEus. The nucleus, uh,
[33:14.080 --> 33:17.600]  nucleus video for jam on it. It's pretty special. Jam on it. Jam on it.
[33:17.600 --> 33:25.040]  Jam on it. Well, I mean, uh, by, by 19 maybe four, right, who Dini was, we, we were already
[33:25.040 --> 33:29.680]  rocking friends. He's got the hat. He had a hat. Yeah, he had a hat. And it freaks
[33:29.680 --> 33:33.760]  come out at night. Oh, and no, no, no, no parking on the dance floor.
[33:33.760 --> 33:40.080]  Hup, LL Cool Jay's first record was out by then. The fat boys were out. This is all 84. This is
[33:40.080 --> 33:44.800]  all, you know, really, you heard that? I didn't hear all Clujito College. Oh, yeah. No, no, no,
[33:44.800 --> 33:50.080]  no, this was all, this was like our high school. Well, that's the thing. I heard radio. I
[33:50.080 --> 33:54.320]  think that was the only thing I heard was he that the man Mr. James could not live without his
[33:54.320 --> 34:00.720]  radio. That, I remember that, but Curtis Blown, but the, but that who Dini record was huge,
[34:00.720 --> 34:07.040]  the thing was, and that's, that's freaks come out at night, right? Yeah. Okay. The, uh, you know,
[34:07.040 --> 34:15.200]  by by 84, in 81 and 82, there were four kinds of kids. By 1984, there were seven kinds of kids. Oh,
[34:15.200 --> 34:20.240]  boy. And it was the, that's a lot of skis to keep track of. It was, it was the beginning of the,
[34:20.240 --> 34:25.680]  of the great skism, right? I mean, all metal kids were still just metal, um, because there
[34:25.680 --> 34:30.320]  hadn't been the, the enormous skism in metal that produced the 40 kinds of metal that there
[34:30.320 --> 34:36.160]  are now. There was, but so there were metal kids. But all of a sudden, there, there was,
[34:36.160 --> 34:41.040]  because there had always been a black culture at East Anchorage High School. It's just that it wasn't,
[34:41.840 --> 34:47.360]  it was, uh, it was a, it was a segregated one, right? It was happening over here, and it didn't have,
[34:48.400 --> 34:56.080]  it didn't have like a, a universal kind of sense of belonging in the school culture as a whole.
[34:56.080 --> 34:59.280]  And did, to be, like, you know, part of it is, I don't know how to describe this, but sometimes
[34:59.280 --> 35:01.520]  there's a thing where it's like, there's something that comes along and you're going, like,
[35:01.520 --> 35:05.360]  what's that thing? Like, there seems to be more than one person doing that. What is, like,
[35:05.360 --> 35:09.200]  anytime I'm going visit, like Chicago or New York, there, I would always see things there that
[35:09.200 --> 35:13.600]  were not happening where I was from. Like, was there, like, it doesn't part isn't part of it,
[35:13.600 --> 35:18.400]  like a cultural awareness of the bin that this fits in. Not, I'm not trying to be, you know,
[35:18.400 --> 35:21.680]  unkind, but you know what I mean? Isn't there a sense of, like, oh, that kid's a punk. Like,
[35:21.680 --> 35:26.560]  the kid about the screwdriver to the show on, on that episode of Quincy, uh, with the woman from the
[35:26.560 --> 35:32.000]  office, um, that, uh, the, uh, you know, that, that kind of thing like, oh, that's punk rock. That's
[35:32.000 --> 35:37.200]  that dangerous thing. That's like, very much, uh, decline of Western civilization era, punk rock,
[35:37.200 --> 35:41.600]  you know, stuff like circle jerks and things like that in the violence at those shows. But
[35:41.600 --> 35:45.920]  it isn't a part isn't part of it, like, I, you look weird or you're doing something odd,
[35:45.920 --> 35:51.280]  and I'm not really sure how you fit into the five or seven types of high school students.
[35:51.280 --> 36:01.120]  I think that there was a catch all hopper, which was called loser. And anybody that wore
[36:01.120 --> 36:06.960]  their hat wrong was just a loser, you know, if you didn't have, and you could have four friends,
[36:06.960 --> 36:13.520]  anybody could have four friends. Um, but you and your four friends didn't factor, right? This was,
[36:13.520 --> 36:18.400]  this was American culture up until not very long ago. Like, you could be, you could be doing
[36:18.400 --> 36:23.600]  your own thing over there. Like the kids that were in, the kids that were really good in shop,
[36:24.240 --> 36:31.360]  and were, were the, the ones that could could replace a carburetor, you know, in a, you know,
[36:31.360 --> 36:36.480]  get into that like vocational track. Yeah, they were, they were, I'm sure they were incredibly
[36:36.480 --> 36:44.160]  successful and had had, and probably right now are rich and have a house on a lake with a boat.
[36:44.160 --> 36:49.680]  But at the time, it was just like, oh, yeah, your guys are over in the shop area, like it doesn't.
[36:49.680 --> 36:53.280]  And from their perspective, I'm sure that I should over by the smoking area.
[36:53.280 --> 36:58.720]  That's right, everybody's smoking area. A different thing, but they weren't somehow playing
[36:58.720 --> 37:05.760]  the game of high school with the idea that there was a, you know, that that you would be. And
[37:05.760 --> 37:12.640]  then this might have been somewhat particular to my class of kid in high school. But,
[37:12.640 --> 37:20.800]  but they're what, but that, that recognition that all those groups had a place and agency and a
[37:20.800 --> 37:29.200]  name and, and I guess what you would call like parliamentary power was, was a thing that happened
[37:30.000 --> 37:37.600]  in the early 80s, I think. And I mean, all you have to do is is, is, like, paste it over to MTV
[37:37.600 --> 37:43.440]  and realize that until Michael Jackson's thriller MTV didn't play music by black people because
[37:43.440 --> 37:48.160]  they thought they played way more heavy metal than they did. Well, because they thought they had
[37:48.160 --> 37:52.800]  programming, right? They were, they were basing themselves on a 1970s radio model of like,
[37:52.800 --> 37:57.920]  well, there's black radio and then there's pop radio and they were like, they had this radio.
[37:57.920 --> 38:01.440]  I mean, no more in some ways, I mean, it sounds dumb to say, but it's in the same way that they
[38:01.440 --> 38:06.160]  didn't play country music. They played a lot of what came to be called new wave.
[38:06.160 --> 38:14.320]  And, and it was, and the recognizing that MTV was a national and global phenomenon that belonged
[38:14.320 --> 38:18.000]  to everybody, kind of, kind of, it was like what happened with Twitter when we realized,
[38:18.640 --> 38:26.000]  oh, Twitter isn't just for, uh, tech nerds in their 30s who are also funny puns.
[38:27.600 --> 38:32.400]  Tech tech nerds that can actually make jokes and there's only about 40,000 of us,
[38:32.400 --> 38:37.280]  uh, and then realizing, oh, wait, Twitter belongs to everyone and it actually is kind of a public
[38:37.280 --> 38:46.400]  utility. That was a lot of growing pains, right? Yeah. But, but, but, I remember realizing that
[38:46.400 --> 38:52.080]  that kids were, it wasn't that they were siloing. They had always been there. It was now suddenly
[38:52.080 --> 38:59.840]  their silos belonged. They had a name and you could, you could say, oh, wait, you are a
[38:59.840 --> 39:05.680]  Dungeons and Dragons person. Right. For you. Some sort of some kind of a newly necessary
[39:05.680 --> 39:11.760]  UN designation for what you represent. Yeah. Like you got a visualized a little bit. Yeah, and that's
[39:11.760 --> 39:16.400]  what, that's why breakfast club resonated with us all. They weren't, that movie didn't invent anything.
[39:16.400 --> 39:25.440]  It was finally reping a thing that had been happening, which was there is a jock and a pretty girl
[39:25.440 --> 39:33.360]  and a weird girl and nerd and a stoner. Because, you know, you think about really hurt sales
[39:33.360 --> 39:42.080]  of Nelson Blu, though. I can't buy it. I can't buy in Nelson Blu, with that weird blue paste in the
[39:42.080 --> 39:46.880]  center. I just thought that was funnier to say we were a head and shoulder suddenly.
[39:46.880 --> 39:53.920]  Uh, were you really mean? I didn't have danger. Yeah. We bought whatever was on sale.
[39:53.920 --> 39:58.080]  Yeah. Do you remember the first time you bought dandruff shampoo that was made with,
[39:58.080 --> 40:04.000]  with like oil sands or tar or something? Yeah. Yeah. I have, uh, I have, uh, psoriasis.
[40:04.000 --> 40:08.400]  And so that's how I discovered coal tar shampoo. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, you smell like a roof.
[40:08.400 --> 40:13.600]  Yeah. Yeah. Well, your hair, your hair smells terrific. You can put beer shampoo on top of your
[40:13.600 --> 40:20.880]  hair smells terrific. But when, when it came time to, to pick our junior prom song.
[40:20.880 --> 40:28.240]  Oh, right. I got, I love the you do this. There was still got a kid. There were faction
[40:29.040 --> 40:35.760]  that had never come into play before. The junior, the junior prom song had always been,
[40:35.760 --> 40:45.440]  and forever would have been picked by that group of five popular girls who run cheerleader,
[40:45.440 --> 40:52.240]  football and yearbook adjacent power people, power people who were putting on the
[40:52.240 --> 40:55.920]  prom. They were making all the decisions what the theme was, what the colors were,
[40:55.920 --> 41:00.000]  what the balloons were. It was going to be what the puppet to put that and what the theme was going to
[41:01.360 --> 41:12.000]  and all of a sudden, there were new factions that had a feeling about what the junior
[41:12.000 --> 41:17.280]  prom. It's like just sixties in America a little bit. A little bit. Do you see what I'm saying?
[41:17.280 --> 41:23.840]  Yes. Oh, you there. You have an opinion about how we do this? Interesting. And the, the, the
[41:23.840 --> 41:32.320]  power girls did not like it at all that there were, there were new voices to be. And what,
[41:32.320 --> 41:38.480]  and, and honestly, what, they, they, they absolutely had that, that that feeling that we see
[41:38.480 --> 41:43.520]  in American politics all the time, which was, hey, wait, wait, wait, wait. This is how it's done.
[41:43.520 --> 41:49.440]  This is how it's always been done. This is how it's going to be done from now on. And you,
[41:49.440 --> 41:56.800]  please, everyone, please sit down. We've got this covered, especially, especially at least because,
[41:56.800 --> 42:01.680]  well, you know, there's a sense of, like I say, privilege, but entitlement, right, that we,
[42:01.680 --> 42:06.240]  everybody has, especially if you're like somebody who has walked, asked backwards into power
[42:06.240 --> 42:11.200]  because your dad's a dentist or whatever. Like, there's, you know, there's, there's, there's that kind of thing
[42:11.200 --> 42:16.960]  that comes along. And I think the other really salient factor is you're only in high school for so long.
[42:17.680 --> 42:22.160]  Well, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're not afraid to burn certain kinds of bridges.
[42:22.160 --> 42:25.600]  You may be up there saying, oh, you know, you're like fucking, uh, I don't know,
[42:25.600 --> 42:29.680]  Mitch McConnell or whatever, and you're like an institutionalist about the way that we deal with
[42:29.680 --> 42:34.880]  these things here at Gulf Comprehensive High School. But the truth is, like, that's your one shot
[42:34.880 --> 42:41.680]  to exercise that power as a fucking senior. And you're not going to be saying, well, this, my last
[42:41.680 --> 42:48.080]  year in high school is a great time for me to get really, uh, progressive about making sure
[42:48.080 --> 42:53.360]  everybody gets a vote. No, no one, none, none of those five girls was thinking, oh, you know,
[42:53.360 --> 42:58.800]  when I look back at my high school senior year, I'm going to be so glad that I opened up junior
[42:58.800 --> 43:05.280]  prom. Oh, is he scorched or a local vote of all of the different nerd? No, you're, I mean,
[43:05.280 --> 43:10.080]  and I had that conversation with them many times, because of course, I was part of, I was part of
[43:10.080 --> 43:18.080]  a faction, um, and I, and I heard it over and over again, like, these are, these are the, the memories.
[43:18.080 --> 43:22.480]  And I was like, what are the memories? And they're like, these are the memories, like, say you say
[43:22.480 --> 43:28.240]  me, it's on the top of the charts. Well, like, that should be our theme. It's, this is our
[43:28.240 --> 43:35.680]  time. And, and, and Lionel Richie and Dion Warwick are the, these are the songs. And so the,
[43:35.680 --> 43:42.000]  the, the, the, the friends are for, right? It's to be the theme of the year, the year is now.
[43:42.000 --> 43:50.400]  These are the songs, because I was a member of a faction that was saying, that, uh, that the
[43:50.400 --> 43:58.160]  theme for our junior prom should be, uh, love me do. And I was doing it just, I think,
[43:58.160 --> 44:02.720]  just to be a dismissal of the dance. Well, you know what, I, I had an, I had an extreme lens.
[44:02.720 --> 44:07.040]  I had an extremely unsuccessful campaign for it to be, I will follow about you, too.
[44:07.040 --> 44:12.160]  Oh, that's a nice one. It was really, it was not, uh, taken very seriously, John.
[44:12.160 --> 44:16.320]  No, because, uh, you, you can only do the new wave dance to it. You can't do the, it's not
[44:16.320 --> 44:21.600]  the way back dance. Like, a year, maybe, most of me, like a year or two before I arrived,
[44:21.600 --> 44:25.360]  I'm gonna, I'm gonna be real with you. And I understand there are people out there who
[44:25.360 --> 44:30.160]  were gonna hear this and go and roll their eyes. But I think the prom song for my school and for
[44:30.160 --> 44:37.840]  most schools in 1982, 83, best of times, besticks. It's a fucking great prom. That's a great theme.
[44:37.840 --> 44:42.320]  Yeah. Yeah. It's a great, but listen for the time and sticks. Like, you know, this is before
[44:42.320 --> 44:46.240]  we fully knew what was going on with Dennis D. Young and what he was doing to Portami.
[44:46.240 --> 44:52.240]  I think that this is an example of an age gap just between, just between you and me.
[44:52.240 --> 45:01.600]  Oh, because, because, because, because, by 1986, right? Between, between, between, between,
[45:01.600 --> 45:07.360]  when you graduated and won, I graduated. I graduated in 1985. Well, see, there it is.
[45:07.360 --> 45:14.240]  It, you graduated just after MTV started playing black music. And when I was in journalism class,
[45:14.240 --> 45:17.920]  I remember I was in, I was the, the features editor for the paper and I very specifically,
[45:17.920 --> 45:22.960]  we got time magazine. And I remember the time magazine cover, like a year or two kind of late,
[45:22.960 --> 45:28.960]  was like, oh my god, the MTV Revolution. And it had a picture, it had a picture from once in a
[45:28.960 --> 45:33.440]  lifetime, you know, in it and stuff like that. So, 80, I mean, like, the thing once everybody is,
[45:33.440 --> 45:40.080]  well, you know, MTV 1981. Like, oh, yeah, but like, MTV wasn't like a thing in a lot of places
[45:40.080 --> 45:47.840]  till like 83 at least. And that was, I think, a big part of why Patty LaBelle was suddenly
[45:47.840 --> 45:56.080]  the, the music that the, that the white girls wanted at their prom. No kidding. They would not
[45:56.080 --> 46:02.640]  have known about it. Three years prior, they would have been working from a pallet of sticks and
[46:02.640 --> 46:09.040]  foreigner and, uh, and triumph, maybe not triumph. But you know, like, they would have been
[46:09.040 --> 46:12.640]  fight would have been a very good profit. You know, they would have been working from that,
[46:12.640 --> 46:20.960]  uh, from that playlist that came from, yeah, white radio. But now they had access to, to soul music
[46:21.600 --> 46:27.200]  in a way that would, that was so mainstream that these white girls were like, are you kidding me?
[46:27.200 --> 46:32.240]  The prom theme has got to be Lionel Richie. What do you even talk about? That's, that's, that's the
[46:32.240 --> 46:38.720]  most romantic song of the year. And in a way, this is me you're looking for. I was, I was part of
[46:38.720 --> 46:42.800]  a faction that was like, what, no, we have, it has to be a British invasion song because that's
[46:42.800 --> 46:47.920]  what we care about. And like, and also like, you don't want to be tard with that. Yeah, it's like,
[46:47.920 --> 46:54.320]  it's like, you know, as much as, like, I didn't care, or let's put, let's be honest about this,
[46:54.320 --> 46:58.320]  like everybody at that. You've been Western girls by the Pet Shop boys. That's what it should
[46:58.320 --> 47:02.960]  have been. Everybody can agree on that. That would have been incredible. Oh my god. That
[47:02.960 --> 47:08.400]  should be the every prom theme. Yeah. It does a guy in your back's point in your head. Yeah. Um, oh, boy,
[47:08.400 --> 47:14.000]  kicking down chairs and knocking down tables. Um, in a restaurant. Hey, to rest in town. That's why
[47:14.000 --> 47:18.240]  to the concord. Just an amazing parody of that that I am going to say to you. I know. I have,
[47:18.240 --> 47:21.520]  I have you still love that. Yeah, but you can still send it to me. But they are dead, but like
[47:21.520 --> 47:26.240]  it's so funny because each one of them does a funnier version than the other of the, of the
[47:26.240 --> 47:30.800]  meal tenant. And they do the video where one of the guys is like a ghost walking around. Oh my
[47:30.800 --> 47:35.120]  god, it's so good. But you know what it is? Like, okay, look, I can front about this. But like,
[47:35.120 --> 47:41.280]  that's what adolescence is. It's a complicated time. As I've, I realized after adolescence that
[47:41.280 --> 47:46.400]  adolescence is largely about, especially if you are not a person of means, it's about reping
[47:46.400 --> 47:52.320]  what you're not. Hmm. That's a big part of being a teenager is reping what you are not interested.
[47:52.320 --> 47:56.960]  You don't have that many things that you're actually really into, no, and ironically, what are you
[47:56.960 --> 48:03.120]  saying? Yeah. Well, I knew I hated being. I knew I hated rich people. I knew, I mean, I had like,
[48:03.120 --> 48:07.440]  you know, all that kind of stuff. But like, it just worked. I know what I, what I, what I didn't want to
[48:07.440 --> 48:13.680]  be. Yeah. But I, at the same time, of course, I wanted to be friends with the cool soccer guys.
[48:13.680 --> 48:19.760]  Like, I wanted to be thought of like, I liked that I was a senior superlative that made me happy.
[48:19.760 --> 48:24.400]  Yeah. Like, you can, but like, it's gross. But like, yes, but I mean, why is that gross? You were the
[48:24.400 --> 48:29.920]  fewer, the most funny, is that what you were? I technically, I technically won two, but you can only
[48:29.920 --> 48:37.120]  you got, you only get the one that you had the most votes at. So I was most talented. Almost talented.
[48:37.120 --> 48:44.160]  It was also class clown, but because Matt Granger, Matt Granger got it because the wonderful Matt Granger,
[48:44.160 --> 48:49.360]  never never get Matt Granger. Love Matt Granger. Matt Granger would wear a blazer. He got from
[48:49.360 --> 48:53.520]  goodwood with the sleeves pushed up. Yeah. That's funny. That's funny. That's funny. I'm not talking
[48:53.520 --> 48:59.040]  about my advice. I'm talking about like, you wear that. Matt Granger comedian. Absolutely. Absolutely. But
[48:59.040 --> 49:03.200]  here's the, here's the problem. And here's the thing that's, no, what he's proud to say is like,
[49:03.200 --> 49:08.160]  yeah, but I still didn't want to go to a high school that had a, the fucking shitty prom song.
[49:08.160 --> 49:13.600]  I'm going to go to the prom. Yeah. And I'm going to be there. And like, it's not going to be,
[49:13.600 --> 49:18.160]  uh, what is it? What's the back of the future one, uh, paradise under the sea? Hmm.
[49:18.160 --> 49:20.720]  Like, I want to take a knot over. Oh, yeah. Hopefully.
[49:21.840 --> 49:27.120]  Thankfully. It's a song about trying not to cheat on your wife while you're in a shitty band.
[49:27.120 --> 49:31.600]  Oh, yeah. Well, listen, if you're going to call journey a shitty band, then we're going to have to
[49:31.600 --> 49:37.040]  set the way back machine to way back. Oh, oh, do you want to throw down on 1978? Because I will be there
[49:37.040 --> 49:41.200]  to talk to you about journal in 1998. Journey in 1978 was a very special thing. Who's there
[49:41.200 --> 49:42.880]  feeling that way? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[49:42.880 --> 49:48.640]  He first joined the band and, uh, who's the guy that was in Santa Ana? I'm studying here with my arms
[49:48.640 --> 49:52.960]  and my alive was named Rocco. No, what was all in Santa Ana? They all came from Santa Ana.
[49:52.960 --> 49:59.440]  Well, Neil Shen was 15 in Santa Ana. Who's the guy? Oh, Greg Raleigh. Greg Raleigh was the
[49:59.440 --> 50:03.280]  singer. Then they brought in steep, but then you get a song like feeling that way, where they
[50:03.280 --> 50:09.120]  both sing on it. So fucking good. Yeah, it's nice. Escape is not a great record. No, it's not.
[50:09.120 --> 50:15.120]  Yeah. Well, it's a part or what? No, world's a part. Is that saga? Oh, my God.
[50:15.120 --> 50:23.680]  I would have killed the winding up would be a great prompting. I feel like, I fucking go back.
[50:23.680 --> 50:27.360]  I think I got back to high school. I'd be so cool now. I'd be so fucking cool.
[50:28.320 --> 50:30.960]  Yeah, you're like, you don't know this, but like, your kids are going to love it.
[50:30.960 --> 50:40.240]  I thought of that as I'm sure everybody has like what if I went back to, if I went back to high school,
[50:40.240 --> 50:44.560]  what would if you went back to high school and could change one thing, you know, like, or change
[50:44.560 --> 50:50.240]  two thing. One thing I would do is when I grew out of my Levi's and had to start wearing them
[50:50.240 --> 50:55.920]  without buttoning the top two buttons, I would have gone to my mom and said, can I get a new pair of jeans?
[50:55.920 --> 51:03.520]  Because definitely my junior year I couldn't button the top button of my pants.
[51:04.080 --> 51:07.920]  And it wasn't because I was chubby. It was because I had grown out of them, but I didn't
[51:07.920 --> 51:13.840]  tie clothing hasn't impact on your life. I didn't know how to, and this is weird to me. Like,
[51:13.840 --> 51:18.240]  when I think back at it, I'm like, what, really? I didn't know how to ask for new
[51:18.240 --> 51:25.840]  clothes because you got new clothes. What, when you're marching on? Well, no, you got them,
[51:25.840 --> 51:29.840]  you got them before back to school. You go to Sears, you go to Husky, you go to Husky section,
[51:29.840 --> 51:35.760]  you get some tough skins. And that was the year that I grew from being five, eight to six,
[51:35.760 --> 51:41.440]  two. No, whatever. You know, in the space of like six months, and all of a sudden, I was just,
[51:41.440 --> 51:47.360]  I couldn't button the top button because that's fucking crazy. Did you really go more than a
[51:47.360 --> 51:53.440]  couple inches in an academic year? Yeah, that was the, so insane. That was the thing. That was
[51:53.440 --> 52:00.640]  the, that was the moment where I had been kind of a picked on. And like, you know, I was,
[52:00.640 --> 52:07.360]  I was this snarky, dandruffy kid that sat in the back of the class, but not in the very back
[52:07.360 --> 52:12.880]  where everybody was chewing tobacco kind of like in the background where no, no cool people would
[52:12.880 --> 52:17.520]  go kind of by the globe. I sat back there and was like, everyone's, wow, would go,
[52:19.360 --> 52:24.160]  that's what Calvin Coolidge would say. And then everybody in the class would just get, you know,
[52:24.160 --> 52:30.320]  get quiet and be like, oh, my God. I was that kid and then all of a sudden, I was like,
[52:31.360 --> 52:36.880]  this just all happened at once. It's like slow motion, hooking out. I was a kid that I,
[52:36.880 --> 52:40.960]  I was all of a sudden, nobody would pick on me. And I didn't understand why I wasn't getting picked
[52:40.960 --> 52:46.720]  on anymore. And I think I started to ramp it up. Like, because you were ultimately,
[52:46.720 --> 52:50.720]  were you kind of testing boundaries in some ways? Well, all I was used to was getting, it was
[52:50.720 --> 52:56.000]  getting thumped. And when I wasn't getting thumped, I was like, that's what Calvin Coolidge said to
[52:56.000 --> 53:04.720]  your mom. And then I still didn't get thumped. And I was like, yeah, Calvin Coolidge, you know,
[53:04.720 --> 53:10.400]  is your mom? I mean, I was just, and I got, and then I fucked him. And eventually I got a little,
[53:10.400 --> 53:16.640]  like, well, I got a little, a lot mean. Because I think I wasn't used to, I wasn't used to,
[53:17.200 --> 53:22.480]  you were getting a response. And well, I was getting a response, which was people wanting to thump
[53:22.480 --> 53:27.120]  me, but not, you know, what that, you know, you could see it in their face. You could see him
[53:27.120 --> 53:33.120]  tense up. You could see them clench their fists, square off with me, and then back down. And I
[53:33.120 --> 53:39.600]  didn't, and I had no sense of my physical size, or I still thought I was a little runty kid.
[53:39.600 --> 53:44.240]  And so I would stand there, like, oh, shit, I'm about to get it. And then nothing would happen.
[53:44.240 --> 53:49.360]  And they would, you know, stomp off and they'd clare at me. And, and I was like, what is going
[53:49.360 --> 53:55.520]  on? Yeah. And it was because I was four inches taller. I mean, I was, I would towered over them.
[53:55.520 --> 54:00.720]  And I couldn't tell from inside my body, because inside your body, you think you are somebody.
[54:00.720 --> 54:05.360]  That's, I mean, I, I, I, I, I had so funny. You say that. I remember something, something so
[54:05.360 --> 54:13.840]  wise that my mom said, um, when I was probably 11 or 12. And, you know, 11 or 12 for me, I mean, a lot's
[54:13.840 --> 54:19.440]  chains. There's a lot of hormones in the meat, kids, you know, uh, get the periods early and get
[54:19.440 --> 54:23.840]  strong early and stuff like that, right? But like, my friend Greg might have clinked his Greg,
[54:23.840 --> 54:26.960]  who nobody liked. But we had to paddle around with him, because his parents were divorced.
[54:26.960 --> 54:32.720]  And he was in our church room. No, he was okay. But he was surely really awkward. And he was kind of
[54:32.720 --> 54:38.160]  you, but even dorkier. Like what you're describing here, he was really dorkier. And so awkward.
[54:38.160 --> 54:44.400]  And he got suddenly got really clumsy. And was like, you know, it was like something out of
[54:44.400 --> 54:50.080]  a health film strip. And I was like, Greg is the worst. And you know, and my mom was like, well,
[54:50.080 --> 54:55.440]  you know, Greg, Greg's life is not easy right now. And also, you know, a lot of times, you know,
[54:55.440 --> 54:59.280]  you know, you know, you hate having the puberty talk with your mom. When mom was like,
[54:59.280 --> 55:03.520]  who's thinking to understand about Greg is his body is changing faster than his mind.
[55:04.320 --> 55:09.440]  And he's in all kinds of ways. It's not that keeping up with his brain. As in like,
[55:09.440 --> 55:13.600]  he doesn't know how long his arms are. He doesn't realize where his shoulder is. Of course,
[55:13.600 --> 55:19.040]  he's knocking things over. His body has not adjusted to the fact that he's a bigger person now.
[55:19.040 --> 55:24.080]  And he's still an 11 year old kid inside with the body of like a 14 year old. And that's
[55:24.080 --> 55:27.200]  making him weird. And I was like, that's very interesting. I still don't like Greg.
[55:27.200 --> 55:33.280]  This was the thing when when this was how when I gained tremendous insight into my friendship with
[55:33.280 --> 55:38.800]  Sean Nelson, it was realizing that although Sean was six foot five, he's so tall. He's so
[55:38.800 --> 55:45.440]  taller than you think. And, you know, and broad in his mind, he is still five foot six. And
[55:45.440 --> 55:51.600]  and is still and he never had the experience. I don't think or rather he had it. But he didn't
[55:51.600 --> 55:59.040]  register it like I did because there was a day when I realized, oh wait, I'm, I'm big. Not only
[55:59.040 --> 56:04.160]  my big, but by classic, classic Simon and Garfunkel, or like, you know, where the little guy,
[56:04.160 --> 56:08.320]  where the little guy acts like a big little dog, like a big dog, and the big dog acts like a little
[56:08.320 --> 56:12.080]  dog. The thing about Simon and Garfunkel, though, is when you meet them, you realize that
[56:12.080 --> 56:18.880]  already is only five nine. Shut up. This is the crazy thing. Garfunkel is not that tall.
[56:18.880 --> 56:24.800]  I always said that Garfunkel is at least six two. It's that Paul Simon is so small. Is he
[56:24.800 --> 56:31.200]  commonly small, John? He is kind. He is comically small. Aren't Garfunkel, you know, normally
[56:31.200 --> 56:36.160]  I don't Google well, we're on the show, but aren't Garfunkel. Garfunkel. Garfunkel. Garfunkel.
[56:36.160 --> 56:42.320]  Garfunkel. Garfunkel. Garfunkel. Aren't Garfunkel. Is five foot nine.
[56:42.320 --> 56:49.120]  He is five foot nine. It's just the Paul Simon and Garfunkel. I am a slightly taller than
[56:49.120 --> 56:55.360]  Art Garfunkel. Yeah, that blows my mind. It blew my mind too until until I met him, I stood there
[56:55.360 --> 57:01.840]  and I was like, that's your Art Garfunkel. Like, sure. And if you're a Garfunkel, you know,
[57:01.840 --> 57:06.320]  I was like, I was towering over him. He's the size of Mayor Bloomberg. And I was like,
[57:06.320 --> 57:12.160]  I'm on that's uncut. And then I, and then I went and I looked it up because I always imagine
[57:12.160 --> 57:17.280]  that Art Garfunkel was six foot nine. Absolutely. Right over Paul Simon said, I thought he was
[57:17.280 --> 57:23.600]  the tallest man in rock. He's not at all. It's all the context, John. It's all about context.
[57:23.600 --> 57:28.080]  Yeah. And, and the thing about Sean was realizing that he had never had that moment where
[57:28.080 --> 57:31.120]  he was like, where, you know, because I had the moment where I was like, oh, nobody's going to
[57:31.120 --> 57:37.120]  fuck with me anymore. Oh my God, what a great relief. And he still, when he looks out from his
[57:37.120 --> 57:47.280]  eye holes, he sees a world of grownups who are, are abusing him. And I said to him, in this
[57:47.280 --> 57:52.800]  conversation, I was like, Sean, do you realize that you are terrifyingly big that I am intimidated
[57:52.800 --> 57:57.680]  by you? And he's like, he couldn't, he'd stopped. He was like, are you kidding? You're ridiculous.
[57:57.680 --> 58:03.600]  And I was like, I swear to you, then you could throw a punch at me and knock me clean out.
[58:03.600 --> 58:08.400]  You wouldn't even have to try. If you ever actually threw a punch, you, you would be a
[58:08.400 --> 58:12.000]  dominant hitting force. And he's never done, you know, he's never done. He's a sometimes musical
[58:12.000 --> 58:19.200]  hodor. He's a hodor, except he's a hodor. He's a hodor. He's a hodor. He's a hodor. He's a hodor, but
[58:19.200 --> 58:25.600]  he's also a maestra. So he's absolutely a maester. Yeah, he might he might be a secret
[58:25.600 --> 58:32.880]  Targaryen. Oh, I can't tell him apart anymore. You know, of course, I said Simon Garfunkel.
[58:32.880 --> 58:36.400]  And I'm reminded of you two singing only living, living, living, living, boiny or together.
[58:36.400 --> 58:40.800]  Yeah. And that great American. Oh, shit. That was so good. Well, that's when I met
[58:40.800 --> 58:44.960]  uh, Arty was, I was singing it with Amy Man at the uh, at the, at the, at the, at the
[58:44.960 --> 58:49.680]  central park. And part of he was there and Mayor Bloomberg was there and Paul Simon was there.
[58:49.680 --> 58:54.720]  Mayor Bloomberg. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's smaller than Art Garfunkel, but not, you know,
[58:54.720 --> 58:57.920]  let's see. He's like, I can't turn like Lidsville or something. I don't, I don't,
[58:57.920 --> 59:04.320]  I don't, I don't usually, uh, I don't usually Google things, but Bloom, Berg, height.
[59:05.600 --> 59:09.280]  Uh-huh. I probably saw a five, I bet he's five five. It's probably going to tell me the height of
[59:09.280 --> 59:13.680]  the Bloomberg. He's five seven. So he's two inches, two inches shorter than Arty, but he's still
[59:13.680 --> 59:21.920]  four inches taller than Paul Simon. And Amy Man is 30 feet tall. Talk about your Gary. She,
[59:21.920 --> 59:27.680]  she is an exquisite seabird of indeterminate height. I don't think we have way to fully
[59:27.680 --> 59:31.920]  meter her height, but boy, she's something. Yeah, and I got to store my, my kid, you know,
[59:31.920 --> 59:36.240]  you met Ted Leo and Amy Man in a hallway once. And that's not that matter to you today,
[59:36.240 --> 59:40.400]  but someday that's going to powder a lot to you. Some day it might, although that's an example of
[59:40.400 --> 59:45.680]  Ted Leo. But that's an example of you being the dad that's like you were, you're going to be the
[59:45.680 --> 59:51.680]  coolest kid because no one of your colleges ever heard of Ted Leo or ever will. Yeah. But
[59:51.680 --> 59:58.160]  one day Marvin, Marvin Leo. No, it's like the time at Disneyland when my dad, you know,
[59:58.160 --> 01:00:04.080]  like I'm at Disneyland, it's 1977. Everything is happening all around me. The over here,
[01:00:04.080 --> 01:00:09.440]  there's a guy's shooting a hippopotamus over here. There's like the 60's space cars that they
[01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:14.800]  still haven't taken out in place. The way the way the way people move her, it was happening.
[01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:24.480]  And I'm sitting there in a folding chair in a 75% empty old town, what's old town called?
[01:00:25.680 --> 01:00:29.600]  Oh, the thing that used to be, so it's like, like with Haunted Matches. No, the thing with, yeah,
[01:00:29.600 --> 01:00:33.360]  the way they got New York voters. Oh, New York Square, maybe? Yeah, I mean,
[01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:38.640]  something for you to say. There it is. Mainstreet USA. I'm sitting in an outdoor amphitheater that's got like
[01:00:38.640 --> 01:00:46.160]  40 blocks in Dixie land watching Count Basie and his orchestra. Oh, my God. And my dad,
[01:00:46.160 --> 01:00:52.080]  the actual little Count Basie with the house. So I'm playing in at Disneyland. And my dad
[01:00:52.080 --> 01:00:58.720]  walks me down there as a nine year old and says, you know, Count, I want you to meet my son.
[01:00:58.720 --> 01:01:03.920]  Are you fucking kidding me? And my dad knows. He was in blazing saddle stew. My dad knows
[01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:08.960]  every horn player in the band. Oh, my God. He's like, that's, you know, that's this guy. That's this guy.
[01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:16.400]  That's a pair of a man. And I'm sitting there like, oh my God, dad, like, there's anything.
[01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:22.400]  It's just so boring. We're at this freaking Disneyland and why are we watching this,
[01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:27.200]  this orchestra play, you know, like, like, uh, 20 cars in music. Probably rather going
[01:01:27.200 --> 01:01:34.000]  one of the shitty A rides. Like, get, give me swanboats, give me carousel, give me the jitney,
[01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:38.080]  give me anything except after all. It's a small world that I might have been a deer and eat,
[01:01:38.080 --> 01:01:44.720]  but like the, but you, but give me anything except sitting here listening to, to gentle brass music.
[01:01:44.720 --> 01:01:48.160]  Yeah, I want, I want it. Well, there's nothing general about Count Basie, but yeah, I
[01:01:48.160 --> 01:01:53.680]  wanted to go over and meet a Blinken or what? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? No, I do.
[01:01:53.680 --> 01:01:59.120]  And then every song ends with a bump, bump, bump, bump, uh, that guy that's so smart to make
[01:01:59.120 --> 01:02:05.360]  your bit. And this should be in fucking count Basie. Great arrangements. The ending of the song
[01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:11.040]  is his, his, his, his, his trademark. I think he invented that riff. Oh, it's a great riff. Oh, thank,
[01:02:11.040 --> 01:02:18.080]  thank, and now. And now, of course, that's my age. I mean, only person of our whole
[01:02:18.080 --> 01:02:22.880]  cadre that ever met Count Basie. And I, I mean, it's a sort of, sort of, sort of, a personal pride. Yeah.
[01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:28.960]  You met Ted Leo. Huh? You met Ted Leo. I've watched him do a crossword. Yeah. Those days.
[01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:33.200]  I would mind me the drummer, too. Was his name Chris? The guy with the beard? Yeah. Well,
[01:02:33.200 --> 01:02:37.120]  that gravy, that gravy was outstanding. I was a lot of great. I recently read it,
[01:02:37.120 --> 01:02:40.080]  supposedly fun thing I'll never do again. And it reminds me that all that is absolutely
[01:02:40.080 --> 01:02:45.280]  I think I'll never do again. Uh, going a cruise ship. Wolf. Yeah. Now, I watch a lot of videos about
[01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:49.680]  high end RVs. And there's a lot of RVs that have the performance characteristics of a yacht.
[01:02:49.680 --> 01:02:54.000]  Now, that I would do. I watch one the other day, John. It's a $1 million RV and it comes with a
[01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:59.600]  smart car that rolls into a little garage in it. Why are you not sending me these links? Oh, John.
[01:02:59.600 --> 01:03:03.600]  Well, I used to be a small, I used to be in a small house videos. And then I got really into
[01:03:03.600 --> 01:03:09.680]  um, RV videos. Um, oh, John. It's, uh, what's the name of the company? It's like treble or
[01:03:09.680 --> 01:03:14.320]  jamm or juffle. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right dribble. Red and red and black, you know, yeah,
[01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:20.640]  it's got Mercedes guts. Um, I have a really hard time with a lot of that stuff, uh, a tiny house
[01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:25.760]  and tiny RV stuff, not feeling bad about my life choices. When I watch those things,
[01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:29.360]  does that suit me? And I said, if we had any money, listen, here's the thing.
[01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:34.720]  Fully tricked out. I will send you this video. It's bone or city. Okay. It's one,
[01:03:34.720 --> 01:03:39.360]  well, fully fitted. It's, it's about the same. You're obviously euros and dollars. It's one point
[01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:45.920]  one million dollars for the nicest RV ever did see and it comes with a fucking smart car that you
[01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:50.320]  pull into the back of it. It's got a little toe system, the pulls into the back. It's got heated
[01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:57.040]  windows everywhere. It's got everything's. Oh, my god, John. You could find one point one million
[01:03:57.040 --> 01:04:02.640]  dollars. You're done. So what you're saying is that if you were rich enough, you could live in your
[01:04:02.640 --> 01:04:09.520]  car. If I aspire to be rich enough to live in a car. Now, asterisk, it's a pretty nice car.
[01:04:09.520 --> 01:04:13.920]  It's a nice car. Yeah, and the car is also inside of an RV that's a million dollars. Yeah,
[01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:18.960]  technically I live in my car. Yeah, this is, this is the hashtag ban life in order in order
[01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:24.880]  to actually be a no-mad who smells like they haven't shoured in years. You have to have
[01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:31.120]  $200,000 to afford to, uh, to drive a panel van that's got a ban in. And my second thought
[01:04:31.120 --> 01:04:36.880]  that I also share with my wife is that I bet I bet. Well, yes. And I bet it's also very costly to keep up.
[01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:42.000]  I bet it's almost like having a boat. Oh, it's insane. It's insane to keep up. Oh, you know this,
[01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:46.240]  John, you know wherever you speak, you had the, uh, you had the stripes, not the family truckster,
[01:04:46.240 --> 01:04:51.120]  the urban, uh, with a corner of the salt vehicle. Yeah. Yeah, you had that. If you have a yacht,
[01:04:51.120 --> 01:04:56.080]  what, what do they say? Like a, like a hole into which you throw money? That's right. But those
[01:04:56.080 --> 01:05:02.160]  super mega yachts, like they cost $10,000 a day just to keep the, the water going. Yeah. Just to keep
[01:05:02.160 --> 01:05:07.040]  like the water in the bathroom taps flowing because there's, because they have a crew. Maybe
[01:05:07.040 --> 01:05:11.520]  what is in your stinky is that, you know, you haven't fixed that shower. You know, that shower
[01:05:11.520 --> 01:05:16.800]  was real nice when you wind drove it off the lot. But now like, you know, again, it's like having
[01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:22.400]  anything fancy. It's a lot to keep up. Green's, you know, not that long ago that what you did was
[01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:28.240]  you bought a Ford van that had 80,000 miles on it. You went to Fred Meyer. You bought two big pieces
[01:05:28.240 --> 01:05:34.320]  of camper foam for $23 each. You built a, you had Chris Canelia built you a bed out of plywood
[01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:40.160]  in the back using his patented carpentry skill. You put some foam on the top of it. And then you
[01:05:40.160 --> 01:05:46.400]  lived in that van for six years. Yes. Now, whoo, nobody lives like that anymore. They all have,
[01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:51.200]  well, I'm sure. Wait a minute. Let me, let me wind that back. A lot of people are living
[01:05:51.200 --> 01:05:55.520]  like that. Yeah, but they've got plants on the wall and everything's white inside.
[01:05:55.520 --> 01:05:59.760]  Well, no, you know what I mean? Like, if you drive down into the, into the, into the Castro,
[01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:03.680]  I'm sure the streets are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we were driving down division yesterday
[01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:08.480]  and woof. Yeah, right? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot of tent life going on
[01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:12.240]  down here. Well, you know, it's crazy. And this is a tent life. Hashtag tent life? Is it,
[01:06:12.240 --> 01:06:17.200]  as a state, you know, down the road? Yeah. You go look at a Google Maps events at state. It's like,
[01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:22.160]  it's crazy how many RVs. And I, because I'm like this, right? On the guy who's always like,
[01:06:22.160 --> 01:06:27.920]  huh, like, how are they allowed to park? I'm so that guy. And yeah, Mike, you know,
[01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:32.000]  my wife recently said to me, I was complaining, I was remarking on a restaurant we were in
[01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:35.360]  and saying that the place seemed very strange to me and I kept noting it over and over.
[01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:39.440]  Much to the annoyance of my family. And then we'll go out with me. Yeah, because I like that.
[01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:43.440]  You know, I am. And then we'll go, my wife says, um, you never leave the house.
[01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:51.280]  Everything seems weird to you. And I laughed for probably eight minutes. And because it was