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Ethnicity #231
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I dug up a 20 years old historical reference to ethnicity in databases: https://web.archive.org/web/20000830140751/http://www.ebi.ac.uk/mutations/recommendations/population.html Hopefully we can do better now. ;) |
This was a topic of the GA4GH Pedigree working group and alas we didn't make great progress apart from acknowledging that nothing really worked. There was a general agreement that the HANCESTRO and H3 Africa terminologies were the best suited, depending on your use-case. |
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be appropriate -- there, users could add ontology terms eg from here (https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ols/ontologies/ncit/terms?iri=http%3A%2F%2Fpurl.obolibrary.org%2Fobo%2FNCIT_C17005&viewMode=All&siblings=false) representing race/ethnicity? |
It could be one of the recommended ontologies to use although there is a danger to confuse people as it really is a mixed bag of all kind of groupings |
There is very little legal basis or international agreements on defining population groups in wider society outside genetics. However, I found this: Understanding the Indigenous and Tribal People Convention, 1989 (No. 169). Handbook for ILO Tripartite Constituents / International Labour standards Department. International Labour Organization. – Geneva, 2013. ISBN 978-92-2-126243-5 https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---ed_norm/---normes/documents/publication/wcms_205225.pdf It seems it is the only reasonable international take on ethnicity. In this convention, the definition of tribal people is given two criteria, objective and subjective, but the defining principle of belonging to a one is only self-identification. Since genetics does not have anything to do with this most widely applicable definition of ethnicity, we need two concepts:
The terms could come from same ontologies, but the criteria of choosing needs to be different - in analogy to sex and gender. The words used could be, for example, "ethnicity" and "population", but the distinction between them should be clearly spelled out in the definition. |
@heikkil the NCIT terms are only intended to be an example of a typical use case. The phenopacket standard does not require that any particular ontology be used for any of the slots, but for the development and documentation, it is good to show at least one example that would work for at least some of the likely use cases. The topic of ethnicity and genetic ancestry is of course very complicated and I think a detailed treatment is outside of the scope of phenopackets. It is important for some genetic analysis and so perhaps this is something for a future GA4GH workgroup. |
Can we defer this to the pedigree working group? They already had a spirited discussion about this and have some guidance in their document https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UAtSLBEQ_7ePRLvDPRpoFpiXnl6VQEJXL2eQByEmfGY
To quote the current state of appendix A.3
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@heikkil I'm going to close this request for now as having discussed this with the group this evening we agreed that there are too many issues around this to know how to usefully incorporate this into the schema right now. I'd suggest we re-visit this once the ClinGen Ancestry & Diversity Working Group have come up with some recommendations on how to represent this for use in genomic analysis. |
Re-opening given discussion with Pedigree group on 2022-03-03. This field is useful/required for many test ordering systems. The codes used will likely be national-specific codes and not necessarily universally applicable. |
Hi @julesjacobsen just picking up this thread with some use cases in the Australian context for having this info in a phenopacket.
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Like discussed in last night's GA4GH call, I'd like to propose opening up discussion on how to include ethnicity in phenopackets 2.0.
My impression from the discussion was that simple enumeration of values would not be enough. The problem is too complex. My opinion is that enumeration is great for simple, clear cut cases, but for complex issue the task of finding the solution should be moved outside phenopackets, i.e. to allow the use of ontology IDs.
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