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Add KHR_interactivity draft #2293

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@lexaknyazev lexaknyazev commented May 31, 2023

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Great work! What sections are next? Also what could we release as a draft extension for SIGGRAPH 2023?

|===
| Type | `math/pi` | Ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter
| Output value sockets | `float value` | 3.141592653589793
|===
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If we have Pi, we should also have Tau. https://tauday.com/tau-manifesto The value Tau is the circle constant (equal to 2*Pi, or rather, Pi is half of Tau). Using Tau usually results in more readable code. Tau is supported in many programming languages such as C#, Java, Python, GDScript, Rust, Unreal Blueprints, and more, so it's useful for interoperability with other languages, especially Unreal Blueprints which is conceptually similar.

===== Tau

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| Type | `math/tau` | The circle constant, the circumference of the unit circle in radians.
| Output value sockets | `float value` | 6.2831853071795862
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In case more justification is needed, the KHR_interactivity document currently contains Degrees-To-Radians (math/rad) and Radians-To-Degrees (math/deg). These allow converting between degrees and radians. Tau can be used for a similarly important purpose, dividing or multiplying by this number allows converting between turns and radians, where 1 turn is τ radians. Tau can be used for more than just this, but the point is, if math/rad and math/deg are justified as a part of KHR_interactivity for converting angles, then math/tau is also justified for converting angles.

@lexaknyazev lexaknyazev force-pushed the interactivity branch 2 times, most recently from dc870c5 to 29e8acc Compare March 6, 2024 23:10
| `T value` | The custom variable value
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This node gets a custom variable value using the variable index provided by the `variable` configuration value. The type `T` is determined by the referenced variable. The variable index **MUST** be non-negative and less than the total number of custom variables, otherwise the node is invalid.
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Why are variables accessed by index instead of by name? It would make more sense to me to set a variable called "money" than one called 27.

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Regarding the question I asked earlier, it seems it might have gotten buried and become hard to notice, so I’d like to ask again.
I couldn't find node/OnSelect(event/OnSelect) in the specification, but is it possible to handle events when an object is selected?

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I couldn't find node/OnSelect(event/OnSelect) in the specification, but is it possible to handle events when an object is selected?

This event is defined in the KHR_node_selectability extension, see #2422.

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I couldn't find node/OnSelect(event/OnSelect) in the specification, but is it possible to handle events when an object is selected?

This event is defined in the KHR_node_selectability extension, see #2422.

Oh, I thought this extension was an attribute to specify whether an object can be selected. I’ll read through the draft. Thanks!

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How would a connected graph with multiple output value sockets, as shown in the diagram, be represented in glTF?
gltfnode

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It's not a self-solution, but is there any issue with this kind of definition?

  "nodes": [
    {
      "type": "math/sign",
      "values": [
        {
          "id": "a",
          "node": 2,
          "socket": "1"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "type": "math/sign",
      "values": [
        {
          "id": "a",
          "node": 2,
          "socket": "0"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "type": "math/extract2",
      "values": [
        {
          "id": "a",
          "type": 1,
          "value": [
            0.0,
            0.0
          ]
        }
      ]
    }
  ],

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I believe this matches the output of https://github.com/KhronosGroup/glTF-InteractivityGraph-AuthoringTool/tree/initial-work-merge (minus the missing type declarations in your partial file).

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When defining a custom event as shown below, if event/receive and event/send nodes refer to this custom event.

 "events": [
    {
      "id": "MyEvent",
      "values": [
        {
          "id": "Val_1",
          "type": 0
        },
        {
          "id": "Val_2",
          "type": 0
        }
      ]
    }
  ],

I think the generated node will have sockets as shown below, but what do you think?
gltfnode

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Is it possible to return the value pointed to by a pointer with the behavior graph?
For example, I would like to change the base color of a selected object's material.

/nodes/{nodeIdx}/mesh -> meshIdx
/meshes/{meshIdx}/primitibes/0/material -> materialIdx
/materials/{materialIdx}/pbrMetallicRoughness/baseColorFactor

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If configuration value is array of length 2,3,4 or 16 it could be ambiguous if its vec2/vec3/vec4/vec4x4 or int[], this might not be a problem for JS but is a problem for strongly-typed implementations, is there any recommendation for them how to disambiguate?

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For example, how about specifying the type at the time of the call?
In fact, I would also like to have a feature that returns the number of elements as shown below.
/materials -> total material number in the scecne
/meshes/0/primitives -> Total primitive number

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@Hackn0214 you already can get number of materials when using appropriate pointer , check out core pointers

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That's wonderful!
Thank you!

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I would appreciate it if you could add /meshes/{}/primitives.length

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javagl commented Jan 21, 2025

Is there a (reasonably up-to-date) machine-processable representation of this? (I.e. something like a schema or a "repository" of node structure descriptions)?

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Is there a (reasonably up-to-date) machine-processable representation of this? (I.e. something like a schema or a "repository" of node structure descriptions)?

Not yet, this document is the only normative source for now. We'll publish regular JSON schemas after confirming that the current early implementations are aligned with them.

That said, JSON schemas alone are not enough since most operations have their own predefined socket types and ids. Suggestions on the machine-readable node spec representations are welcome.

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javagl commented Jan 21, 2025

It could be something simple as a starter....

output-2025-01-21.json

One could/should probably group this based on the Section structure, maybe even include the headers like ===== Cross Product or so. One could also think about parsing and understanding the types...

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