Do we need hapi?

[nelsonic]

Remove hapi?

[NataliaLKB]

Does anyone ever need hapi?

[nelsonic]

Well, it does provide near-linear horizontal scalability & security out-of-the-box without any extra work... so there are definitely use-cases. the question should have been: can we build a 100-user MVP without Hapi.js?

[NataliaLKB]

Those are nice features. Not to mention testing seems quite easy so far. I would be happy to use it 👍

[iteles]

I would also argue that we would learn more about solving problems with relatively little resources (given there's less out there on hapi than on express or vanilla Node). I'm up for the learning curve 👍

[nelsonic]

I/we can easily write a sophisticated app in "pure" node http (no frameworks).
But I quite like the testability Hapi provides out of the box...

[NataliaLKB]

So far more arguments for hapi then against! The only downside with hapi that I have come across so far is because I am not aware of all the 'magic' happening behind the scenes, problems can be hard to debug.

[FilWisher]

The arguments I hear in favour of frameworks are that
1) teams don't need to talk as much about how to structure code and can start writing their app-specific logic quicker, and
2) large amounts of testing has been done for you.

How does Hapi compare in terms of flexibility with other frameworks? Do we need flexibility? Are there any downsides that outweigh the upsides? I think it would be a mistake to count the arguments for without considering the arguments against.

[iteles]

I am less keen on lab now than I was before the latest update (from a cursory look over the updates it feels like they've complicated it rather than simplified and that's not a good direction to be heading in), but I hear some pretty awesome endorsements of Hapi itself at scale.

I haven't really written any apps so far that have been totally hammered by concurrent users, but my somewhat inexperienced (and super keen to learn) vote would be for either vanilla Node or Hapi.

[Cleop]

Can this issue now be closed @nelsonic given that hapi won't be used in our new version?