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[DataCap Application] <Agricultural Home> - <Agricultural Home(1/3)> #1918

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Data Owner Name

Agricultural Home

Data Owner Country/Region

China

Data Owner Industry

Resources, Agriculture & Fisheries

Website

https://www.agriculturalhome.com/

Social Media

https://www.agriculturalhome.com/

Total amount of DataCap being requested

5PiB

Weekly allocation of DataCap requested

700TiB

On-chain address for first allocation

f1meqrf5drs5qcfx2tojvedfqg7jyawoqkpfllmvq

Data Type of Application

Public, Open Dataset (Research/Non-Profit)

Custom multisig

  • Use Custom Multisig

Identifier

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Share a brief history of your project and organization

Agricultural Home is a comprehensive enterprise, mainly engaged in catering management, aquatic plant planting, crop pest control services, agricultural machinery and equipment sales and maintenance, property management, machinery and equipment leasing, non residential real estate leasing, agriculture, forestry, animal husbandry, sideline fishery special instrumentation manufacturing and other businesses. At the same time, we also provide technical services, information services, facility construction and operation related to agricultural production and operation, as well as intelligent agricultural management, agricultural scientific research and experimental development, data processing and storage support services, agricultural horticulture services, agricultural professional and auxiliary activities, aquaculture and other services. In addition, we are also committed to the development of network security related software, blockchain technology related software and services, technical services, technical development, technical consultation, technical exchange, technology transfer and promotion, and the expansion of network technology services.

Is this project associated with other projects/ecosystem stakeholders?

No

If answered yes, what are the other projects/ecosystem stakeholders

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Describe the data being stored onto Filecoin

With the rapid development of technology, technological innovation is helping to promote high-quality agricultural development. In this promotional video, we will introduce the positive role of technology in promoting agricultural development.

Where was the data currently stored in this dataset sourced from

My Own Storage Infra

If you answered "Other" in the previous question, enter the details here

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How do you plan to prepare the dataset

singularity

If you answered "other/custom tool" in the previous question, enter the details here

No response

Please share a sample of the data

https://www.aliyundrive.com/s/as1HXD5dQ36
https://www.aliyundrive.com/s/66RH5i92HpV
https://www.aliyundrive.com/s/tXGF1oWFydA
https://www.aliyundrive.com/s/49Ap4Vau1Ty
https://www.aliyundrive.com/s/VKmae8sGdKY
https://www.aliyundrive.com/s/CGtqQ1QgfCj
https://www.aliyundrive.com/s/G4RsHRB3qHU
https://www.aliyundrive.com/s/BY9GyCi2wSC

Confirm that this is a public dataset that can be retrieved by anyone on the Network

  • I confirm

If you chose not to confirm, what was the reason

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What is the expected retrieval frequency for this data

Monthly

For how long do you plan to keep this dataset stored on Filecoin

More than 3 years

In which geographies do you plan on making storage deals

Greater China, Asia other than Greater China, North America, Europe, Australia (continent), Antarctica

How will you be distributing your data to storage providers

HTTP or FTP server, Shipping hard drives

How do you plan to choose storage providers

Slack, Big data exchange

If you answered "Others" in the previous question, what is the tool or platform you plan to use

No response

If you already have a list of storage providers to work with, fill out their names and provider IDs below

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How do you plan to make deals to your storage providers

Boost client

If you answered "Others/custom tool" in the previous question, enter the details here

No response

Can you confirm that you will follow the Fil+ guideline

Yes

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Thanks for your request!

Heads up, you’re requesting more than the typical weekly onboarding rate of DataCap!

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Thanks for your request!
Everything looks good. 👌

A Governance Team member will review the information provided and contact you back pretty soon.

@xiaoming123222 xiaoming123222 changed the title [DataCap Application] <Agricultural Home> - <Agricultural Home> [DataCap Application] <Agricultural Home> - <Agricultural Home(1/3)> Apr 17, 2023
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Can you introduce your organizaion, such as your organization name, or Qichacha link of the organization?
Please share more detailed information about sps you will cooperate with.

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xiaoming123222 commented Apr 20, 2023

图像Can you introduce your organizaion, such as your organization name, or Qichacha link of the organization?
Please share more detailed information about sps you will cooperate with.

We cooperate with Guangzhou Smart Agriculture Service Co., Ltd. to promote green food and technology to help farmers. As a company focusing on smart agriculture, headquartered in Guangzhou, we will work together with it to promote the development of agriculture and provide more healthy and safe food for the society. Through the application of advanced technology and innovative thinking, we will optimize agricultural production methods, improve the quality and output of agricultural products, and bring more welfare and benefits to farmers.

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xiaoming123222 commented Apr 20, 2023

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f03223
f02051716
f02040772

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What's your organization name?
Could you send an email with business license to [email protected] with your official domain in order to confirm your identity? Email name should includes the issue id #1918.

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xiaoming123222 commented Apr 22, 2023

What's your organization name?
Could you send an email with business license to [email protected] with your official domain in order to confirm your identity? Email name should includes the issue id #1918.
The business license is still in the process of application and requires approval

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xiaoming123222 commented Apr 23, 2023

What's your organization name?
Could you send an email with business license to [email protected] with your official domain in order to confirm your identity? Email name should includes the issue id #1918.

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The email has been sent. Please check it carefully. Thank you

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The documentary you want to store is not produced by you. Do you have the authorization to use the data? What's the purpose of you storing these data?

No further information is found by querying the organization name。

The website is established for a few days, and the site is not on record. Can you explain about these abnormal things?

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The documentary you want to store is not produced by you. Do you have the authorization to use the data? What's the purpose of you storing these data?

No further information is found by querying the organization name。

The website is established for a few days, and the site is not on record. Can you explain about these abnormal things?

These data are intended to help farmers better understand the best practices of agricultural production and explore how to use new technologies and scientific knowledge to improve agricultural production efficiency. At the same time, these data may also be used for research and innovation, in order to develop new technological tools and solutions to improve agricultural production. As an agricultural website, it serves as a public welfare propaganda function, and the current record section is public data, ensuring that the use of these data complies with relevant laws and policies, while complying with relevant laws and policies to ensure that the use of these data is legal

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No further information is found by querying the organization name。

The website is established for a few days, and the site is not on record. Can you explain about these abnormal things?

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No further information is found by querying the organization name。

The website is established for a few days, and the site is not on record. Can you explain about these abnormal things?

Initially used for offline promotion, the website has only recently started to be used and is still being optimized

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Total DataCap requested

5PiB

Expected weekly DataCap usage rate

700TiB

Client address

f1meqrf5drs5qcfx2tojvedfqg7jyawoqkpfllmvq

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DataCap Allocation requested

Multisig Notary address

f02049625

Client address

f1meqrf5drs5qcfx2tojvedfqg7jyawoqkpfllmvq

DataCap allocation requested

256TiB

Id

47a895b4-6a0e-484d-8a93-d43be7aac693

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@raghavrmadya Requesting immediate removal of @woshidama323 from the notary pool.

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woshidama323 commented Jul 18, 2023

@raghavrmadya Requesting immediate removal of @woshidama323 from the notary pool.

If you're proposing to remove us, shouldn't you provide a reasonable justification at the very least? As a notary, I operate within the confines of FILPlus regulations and I exercise my own judgement. Why should my position be threatened just because I'm questioning you?

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@raghavrmadya Requesting immediate removal of @woshidama323 from the notary pool.

If you're proposing to remove us, shouldn't you provide a reasonable justification at the very least? As a notary, I operate within the confines of FILPlus regulations and I exercise my own judgement. Why should my position be threatened just because I'm questioning you?

It is a rule to not sign on disputed applications.

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The definition of whether an LDN is controversial, I think, should be determined by the FILPlus team, not you. I have reason to believe that someone maliciously sets some LDNs as controversial, and then other notaries cannot sign because they are afraid of this controversy, achieving the purpose of restricting the market supply of LDNs. This is very unfair, for example, #913.

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ghost commented Jul 18, 2023

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Here is what we would recommend notaries to consider at a minimum on all applications:
Who are the SP Entities this client is working with and are there more than 3 in different regions/locations?

This application initially lists 4 SP IDs that it would work with:
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f02051716
f02040772

However, if you look at the CID report, there are no matching IDs. That should be a flag for any notary.

Also, there are no details of SP Entities or locations anywhere from the client clearly showing they are meeting the Fil+ Guidelines. Notaries should be asking for this level of information.

Third, there is a recent community claim (with some proof) that this is all part of one entity. That is another flag.

This should be enough to at least question client actions, no?

It will be required of notaries with this proposal, starting next week. And actions like yours above will be investigated as clear grounds for removal.

I will initiate the questioning to the client and notaries can follow from here:
@xiaoming123222 can you confirm the SP entities and locations other than yours that you are working with here?

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xiaoming123222 commented Jul 19, 2023

I apologize for not responding promptly to the above notary public's dispute regarding this LDN.

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f03223
f02051716
f02040772
Due to certain reasons, we terminated our cooperation with these four SPs.

Before signing the contract with @woshidama323 , I had already synchronized with him the basic information of SP and the changes to the sealing plan.

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All this datacap is going to 1 controlling entity.

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According to my understanding in 914, Mike clearly stated two weeks ago that these SPs do not belong to him. Why is the entity name in the image you posted last week still Mike? Are you sure you are seriously checking?

I learned from the SPS I collaborated with that Mike had a private conversation with your team two weeks ago, but you did not make any changes. Your team's work efficiency and methods are ridiculous.

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I will soon announce the SPS entities and locations I am working with, and I am actively contacting them

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f01923786 sunny Hong Kong
f01927554 sunny Hong Kong
f01859603 Liu GuangZhou
f01923787 Liu GuangZhou
f01836766 Huang GuangZhou
f01877184 Aron Singapore
f01938674 Zhang GuangZhou
f01938671 jastin Hong Kong
f02337006 eager England
f02337010 peter California

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@cryptowhizzard @herrehesse Please make modifications in your team's so-called SPs entity

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How can the source of an SP entity be proven? Is it through the acknowledgment of the SP itself or through the use of certain technological methods for assessment?

To the best of my knowledge, most SPs are unlikely to disclose their entire set of nodes, as it aligns with the decentralized nature of blockchain.

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@0xXPunkX The names of related entities are based on the information provided to me by each SPs. In fact, many SPs in China are reluctant to provide them, because Chinese laws have explicitly prohibited Ethereum and Bitcoin. Although filecoin is not listed in the prohibited list for the time being, they are afraid of causing trouble. However, foreign countries have no restrictions on this aspect, so they are not worried about it

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woshidama323 commented Jul 19, 2023

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We committed to this application solely after comprehensive communication with the client and ensuring CIDReport compliance.

However, if you look at the CID report, there are no matching IDs. That should be a flag for any notary.

On the matter of the ID not appearing in the CIDReport, we have previously had discussions with the client. The client experienced alterations in the SP's sealing plan during the distribution phase, which is an occasional and inevitable occurrence. The client was unable to update in a timely manner, thus, we have requested to expedite the process.

Also, there are no details of SP Entities or locations anywhere from the client clearly showing they are meeting the Fil+ Guidelines. Notaries should be asking for this level of information.

When they wished for us to support this order, they had already offline shared with us all essential information including the SP's physical information and location. We have requested the client to reflect this in the update.

We extend our apologies for not being transparent about the course of our communication with the client, and we'll ensure to be more attentive to this aspect in the future.

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Third, there is a recent community claim (with some proof) that this is all part of one entity. That is another flag.

In relation to the third point, we wish to delve deeper into the discussion. Allow me to reference #913 as an example. Hidde's team raised concerns about Topblocks, which were not acknowledged by Topblocks. Conversely, the evidence provided by Topblocks was not accepted by the Hidde team either, resulting in a seemingly endless cycle of disagreement. Consequently, all projects associated with Topblocks, linked to #913, are impacted. This includes projects such as #1248, #1974, #2021, and more.

If the FILPlus team is unable to deliver a decision promptly, this issue will continue to linger. Hidde's team would take this as a factual point and disseminate it widely within the community, which is highly unjust towards us, Topblocks. As a result, our collaborative plans with other teams, our individual sealing plans, along with our commercial reputation are all impacted.
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It's been nearly three weeks since #913, and many of our partners have expressed concern. We have explicitly highlighted our concerns, as can be seen in the response to #913. However, the team that raised this issue shows no concern, nor do they seem to bear any responsibility. This situation is patently unfair, leaving us powerless. We earnestly hope that the FILPlus team can expedite your decision.
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We have reasons to be concerned that if someone raises dubious queries about some LDNs and cannot receive a definitive conclusion for an extended period, it impacts all LDNs associated with the SPs connected to this particular LDN. With just a piece of insufficient evidence, they can easily cast doubt on an LDN, affecting all the clients, SPs, and notaries involved with the LDN. Therefore, we propose that the FILPlus team should provide clear standards, regulations, and a reasonable timeline for decision-making for such issues. We suggest incorporating these in #922 to mitigate the potential impact on clients, SPs, and notaries during the process.

Consider the scenario where issues such as #913 (alongside similar ones like #914, #915, #916, #917, etc.) do not garner the necessary attention from FILPlus. In such a case, we might encounter even more analogous incidents in the future. How are SPs supposed to put into action plans intended to expedite the growth of network computing power with the ecosystem, as well as initiatives aimed at fostering a thriving ecosystem?

I would also like to request the comments of #914, #915, #916, #917, and more on this matter."

We also initiate a discussion, let us focus on the discussion more.
filecoin-project/notary-governance#933

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ghost commented Jul 19, 2023

@Filplus-govteam f01923786 sunny Hong Kong f01927554 sunny Hong Kong f01859603 Liu GuangZhou f01923787 Liu GuangZhou f01836766 Huang GuangZhou f01877184 Aron Singapore f01938674 Zhang GuangZhou f01938671 jastin Hong Kong f02337006 eager England f02337010 peter California

Thank you for sharing more details @xiaoming123222

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ghost commented Jul 19, 2023

How can the source of an SP entity be proven? Is it through the acknowledgment of the SP itself or through the use of certain technological methods for assessment?

To the best of my knowledge, most SPs are unlikely to disclose their entire set of nodes, as it aligns with the decentralized nature of blockchain.

We have proposed that clients more openly declare who they are and the SP entities they are working with an upfront registration form.

@0xXPunkX Yes, Filecoin is decentralized, and SPs do not have to disclose any information. However, the Fil+ program does have guidelines and parameters that need to be met in order to receive the subsidy. If a client cannot prove they are storing with different SPs in different regions, then this becomes a problem.

The goal of Fil+ is to help the network as a whole grow, not just for 1 SP with many nodes to receive DataCap. If Chinese SPs are reluctant to share information because of regulations, this is something that needs to be solved for. But if there is reason to believe clients are self dealing, applications will be questioned and discontinued.

Do you have any ideas or suggestions to improve SP disclosure to ensure guidelines are being met?

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DataCap and CID Checker Report Summary1

Retrieval Statistics

  • Overall Graphsync retrieval success rate: 21.17%
  • Overall HTTP retrieval success rate: 0.00%
  • Overall Bitswap retrieval success rate: 0.00%

Storage Provider Distribution

✔️ Storage provider distribution looks healthy.

Deal Data Replication

✔️ Data replication looks healthy.

Deal Data Shared with other Clients2

✔️ No CID sharing has been observed.

Full report

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Click here to view the Retrieval report.

Footnotes

  1. To manually trigger this report, add a comment with text checker:manualTrigger

  2. To manually trigger this report with deals from other related addresses, add a comment with text checker:manualTrigger <other_address_1> <other_address_2> ...

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In such a case, we might encounter even more analogous incidents in the future. How are SPs supposed to put into action plans intended to expedite the growth of network computing power with the ecosystem, as well as initiatives aimed at fostering a thriving ecosystem?

This is our definition of abuse. Entities not caring about data, value, community, but merely on SP growth. This is exactly what happens all around FIL+ and is withholding us from ever reaching the quality phase.

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DataCap and CID Checker Report Summary1

Retrieval Statistics

  • Overall Graphsync retrieval success rate: 21.41%
  • Overall HTTP retrieval success rate: 0.00%
  • Overall Bitswap retrieval success rate: 0.00%

Storage Provider Distribution

✔️ Storage provider distribution looks healthy.

Deal Data Replication

✔️ Data replication looks healthy.

Deal Data Shared with other Clients2

✔️ No CID sharing has been observed.

Full report

Click here to view the CID Checker report.
Click here to view the Retrieval report.

Footnotes

  1. To manually trigger this report, add a comment with text checker:manualTrigger

  2. To manually trigger this report with deals from other related addresses, add a comment with text checker:manualTrigger <other_address_1> <other_address_2> ...

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Hello,

I have retrieved some of your data from #1918 , #1919 and #1920.

http://datasetcreators.com/downloadedcarfiles/1919-f02128612-f01859603-46176560-baga6ea4seaqbjo3v2rmyjklr7q5mewkfyqfpgmgfgigmbpywhzhk4h3btapw4eq/

Can you please clarify that is being stored here? It does not match your sample data.

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This application has not seen any responses in the last 10 days. This issue will be marked with Stale label and will be closed in 4 days. Comment if you want to keep this application open.

@github-actions github-actions bot added the Stale label Aug 11, 2023
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This application has not seen any responses in the last 14 days, so for now it is being closed. Please feel free to contact the Fil+ Gov team to re-open the application if it is still being processed. Thank you!

@github-actions github-actions bot closed this as not planned Won't fix, can't repro, duplicate, stale Aug 15, 2023
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