Modification: Removal of inactive E-Fil+ Notaries and invitation for active notaries from v4 multisig to join the E-Fil+ multisig

[kevzak]

Issue Description

First, we've found over the past 4+ months that the following notaries have been completely inactive in due diligence and/or signing activities for E-FIl+ applications.
@Joss-Hua
@Suyanj
@Holiday507
@Aifabot-Cloud
@Wengeding
@TakiChain
@Meibuy
@AthSmith
@OlivierMolenkamp
@BobbyChoii
@Casey-PG
@1475Notary
@IPFSUnion
@bmcnabb25
@flyworker
@neogeweb3
@davidthoms
@swatchliu
@BlockMakeronline
@PluskitOfficial

This goes against the SLA that was designed to support the E-Fil+ pilot and in an effort to primarily reduce the admin overhead required to support 35+ notaries by one resource but also to open up space for more active notaries we are proposing to remove the list above.

Second, we have 13 notaries active at varying levels in past few months, but we have a demand for more consistent, active notaries in this multisig and are looking for new notary applicants so that we have 10-20 active from all regions available. Therefore, we are opening an invitation to join.

Requirements to join the multisig:

• Newly interested candidates and active notaries, we will require a free, third party KYC check associated with your GitHub account via filplus.storage
• If an active notary, we will also review your activity via leadership dashboard and review any active disputes/associations with applications proposed for DataCap removal.
• If a new notary applicant, there are the requirements to confirm you can meet responsibilities and operational guidelines as set here: https://github.com/filecoin-project/notary-governance/tree/main/notaries#operational-guidelines

FYI:
@jamerduhgamer
@cryptowizzard
@MatrixStorage
@Fenbushi-Filecoin
@newwebgroup
@derricktan23
@liyunzhi-666
@Fatman13
@stcouldlisa
@MRJAVAZHAO
@Carohere
@XnMatrixSV
@NiwanDao
@laurapanda
@Destore2023

Timeline

• Inactive notaries have been warned twice previously via slack about participation SLA and without any further notification to me, they will be removed by Aug 7th.

• For new applicants and active notaries, the timeline for proposed changes will be two weeks, by Aug 7th.

• For active notaries, KYC will need to be completed prior and activity will be reviewed and decided by Aug 11th.

• For new notaries, KYC will need to be completed and applications are due by this date and will be reviewed and decided by Aug 11th.

Technical dependencies

RKH is required to add/remove notaries

End of POC checkpoint (if applicable)

[Chris00618]

Don't think it's a good idea to set up a separate E-fil notaries group which would waste lots of governance cost and suggest sharing current notaries.

For the full proposal, please refer to #928

[flyworker]

agree

[Fatman13]

Additionally, we will require all currently active notaries interested in remaining in the E-Fil multisig to complete a third party KYC check (if you haven't already) FYI:

If this proposal is to be accepted, for notaries in China, I propose use SMS text as the verification for KYC as every mobile phone number is already mandated by the government to be linked to citizen id (equivalent to SNS# in States), and it would be much more reliable and safer than any third-party vendor the f+ governance body could get hold of.

I don't want any entity that is not under the jurisdiction of Chinese government to get hold of my KYC information as there will be no way for me to get the said entity into court if KYC information leakage do happen.

[igoovo]

I support the proposal.

[spaceT9]

interested to join

[kevzak]

Additionally, we will require all currently active notaries interested in remaining in the E-Fil multisig to complete a third party KYC check (if you haven't already) FYI:

If this proposal is to be accepted, for notaries in China, I propose use SMS text as the verification for KYC as every mobile phone number is already mandated by the government to be linked to citizen id (equivalent to SNS# in States), and it would be much more reliable and safer than any third-party vendor the f+ governance body could get hold of.

I don't want any entity that is not under the jurisdiction of Chinese government to get hold of my KYC information as there will be no way for me to get the said entity into court if KYC information leakage do happen.

Thank you for the feedback @Fatman13 . If you have another third party product that can confirm identification we're open to using it. Right now I've vetted many tools and we've partnered with a decentralized KYC tool, Togggle. I've had 27 applicants complete it, from all regions so China should not be an issue to confirm your identity.

[Destore2023]

Don't think it's a good idea to set up a separate E-fil notaries group which would waste lots of governance cost and suggest sharing current notaries.

For the full proposal, please refer to #928

Hi Kevin, #934 may be the reason you can't find a notary to sign, those notaries are under dispute.

Argee with@Chris00618 sharing current notaries plus your KYC (Toggle) will be the most efficient way to move forward on FIL+E.

What I know is that the Toggle will cost USD100 for each validation. Can you help them get a grant from PL for their KYC based on the notary's contribution to the community without any pay?

Once they pass the KYC, all disputes will be removed and the notary will be responsible for their approval for each LDN they are involved in.

[kevzak]

Hi @Destore2023 thank you for the feedback. Any notary that's a part of 934 was not active in E-Fil WG anyway, so I'm not so concerned there.

Just for awareness about why E-Fil is a separate WG, see details here . We needed to find a sub group of notaries who were supportive of private dataset and also could meet a certain SLA. That is still the expectation. Clients in this WG are going through additional KYC and KYB and sharing information about their project and SPs involved. And as a result of this level of transparency they expect a certain level of support from notaries. This is a different environment than the v4 multisig.

We are looking for notaries to be active and conduct due diligence and ask questions. They do not have to sign. That's not the point. But remaining silent on the side line for months, not responding to slack toward any allocation review requests, not adding any ideas or feedback toward building a better product is missing expectations of this WG. Those listed above that did not meet the SLA are being removed for this reason.

Regarding cost: I think you are thinking of the Synaps KYB tool that we offer for private data clients. That costs $100 to complete a business check.

For notaries and anyone else, KYC is free. We have integrated a solution in filplus.storage that anyone can complete.

Adding layers of trust for all actors involved is part of the goal of the E-Fil+ pilot and KYC requirements for notaries who want to be involved is the next layer to be added.

[kevzak]

Don't think it's a good idea to set up a separate E-fil notaries group which would waste lots of governance cost and suggest sharing current notaries.

For the full proposal, please refer to #928

@Chris00618 we have already establish a separate multisig for the E-Fil+ pilot back in Oct 2022. See my comment above about the E-Fil+ WG details.

However, I don't disagree with you that eventually it could be combined into v4. However, the majority of the 85 active notaries there do not meet the SLA requirements nor support the onboarding of private datasets. E-Fil is small enough and different enough from v4 pathways to keep separate for now and allow room for more testing and support toward enterprise client needs. If we continue to move toward more trust requirements for all clients, then I can see E-Fil and v3 being the same flow eventually.

[Chris00618]

Understand your position, but disagree with your point. Precisely because of the early stage of development, deliberately emphasizing e-fil's special SLA will only have a negative effect on its growth. @kevzak

Suggest a public vote to decide whether this proposal passes or not.

[Fatman13]

Thank you, Kevin! @kevzak

Thank you for the feedback @Fatman13 . If you have another third party product that can confirm identification we're open to using it.

I see couple ways that KYC could be easily done in China region. Any of the following will do...

1. Send random token to notaries' mobile phone and have notaries report back the token.
2. Send random amount of money, 0.3 rmb for example, to notaries' alipay account and have notaries to report back the number.
3. Use Wechat identification API.
4. Use Alipay identification API.

Again, all accounts mentioned above is linked to a unique citizen id (equivalent to SNS# in States) already.

[kevzak]

@Chris00618 I don't understand how the SLA has a negative effect on growth. Can you explain?

Perhaps I should separate the two topics:

• Removing inactive notaries - just to reiterate - these are individuals or entities that have not engaged over a substantive time horizon, defined as not responding, not engaging, not discussing, let alone not reviewing DataCap applications. removing them is reducing a threat vector in the allocation of a valuable resources.

• Adding notaries who support enterprise use cases and agree to meet the SLA. We need more active notaries here to support growth actually.

[Chris00618]

@kevzak Thanks for your feedback. As a decentralized storage type project, censoring storage content and setting up different SLAs sounds anti-web3, so it can't be something sustainable in the long term.

Consolidation and simplification is the right direction.

[Fenbushi-Filecoin]

Support the proposal

[newwebgroup]

Support the proposal

[kevzak]

@kevzak Thanks for your feedback. As a decentralized storage type project, censoring storage content and setting up different SLAs sounds anti-web3, so it can't be something sustainable in the long term.

Consolidation and simplification is the right direction.

I actually think the opposite. Consolidation = centralization. Having different pathways is in fact more decentralized.

[kevzak]

Seems like comments from the active notary community are in support of this proposal.

We'll make one change to the details above. This invitation to join the multisig should only be available to currently active notaries, that have experience using the tools and processes and perspective on managing applications. This follows similar previous onboarding of additional E-Fil members in the past.

If you are interested and not an active notary, you can look to join this particular multisig in conjunction with completion of a future general notary election.

so far I've heard from inactive E-Fil notaries that have reengaged:
@NDLABS-Leo
@BlockMakeronline
@AthSmith
@Joss-Hua

And notaries from the v4 multisig:
@NewHuoPool
@sxxfuture-official

[1ane-1]

Seems like comments from the active notary community are in support of this proposal.

We'll make one change to the details above. This invitation to join the multisig should only be available to currently active notaries, that have experience using the tools and processes and perspective on managing applications. This follows similar previous onboarding of additional E-Fil members in the past.

If you are interested and not an active notary, you can look to join this particular multisig in conjunction with completion of a future general notary election.

so far I've heard from inactive E-Fil notaries that have reengaged: @NDLABS-Leo @BlockMakeronline @AthSmith @Joss-Hua

And notaries from the v4 multisig: @NewHuoPool @sxxfuture-official

@kevzak Hey, dear kevzak,we are V3 and V4 active notary, we want to be the E-FIL notary too. What should i do for that?

[PluskitOfficial]

@kevzak We are willing to continue to participate in the E-Fil project and will further increase our activity in the future.

[kevzak]

Additional notaries from v4 multisig requesting to join:
@DaYouGroup
@1ane-1
@METAVERSEDATAMINING
@Wengeding
@nj-steve

Notaries who messaged saying they are willing to re-engage:
@PluskitOfficial
@Bennyyangpu
@BobbyChoii
@TakiChain
@Casey-PG
@Suyanj

Note: any notaries under dispute will not be impacted by this change. If something transpires from other proposals/disputes, that will supersede any changes here.

[kevzak]

For E-Fil+ multisig notaries, please review the SLA for expectations: #579 (comment)

Once reviewed and in agreement, the next step to remain an active member of the multisig, all notaries should complete the KYC (know your customer) ID check on Filplus.storage.

Steps:

• Login to Filplus.storage with your notary github handle.
• Click on KYC verification link
• Complete steps on third party site, Togggle (ID check and liveliness)
• Once confirmed your github ID will show as KYC verified. Message @kevzak to confirm.
• See article here for more details: LINK
• Please complete the check by Sunday, August 13th.

@PluskitOfficial
@Bennyyangpu
@BobbyChoii
@TakiChain
@Casey-PG
@Suyanj
@DaYouGroup
@1ane-1
@METAVERSEDATAMINING
@Wengeding
@nj-steve
@NDLABS-Leo
@BlockMakeronline
@AthSmith
@Joss-Hua
@NewHuoPool
@sxxfuture-official
@jamerduhgamer
@cryptowizzard
@MatrixStorage
@Fenbushi-Filecoin
@newwebgroup
@derricktan23
@liyunzhi-666
@Fatman13
@stcouldlisa
@MRJAVAZHAO
@Carohere
@XnMatrixSV
@NiwanDao
@laurapanda
@Destore2023

[Joss-Hua]

done @kevzak

[sxxfuture-official]

Done @kevzak

[1ane-1]

Done @kevzak

[kevzak]

Update here:
the following notaries have successfully completed a KYC check:
@derricktan23
@Aaron01230
@NewHuoPool
@jamerduhgamer
@Destore2023
@nj-steve
@1ane-1
@sxxfuture-official
@newwebgroup
@Joss-Hua
@opengateNFT
@liyunzhi-666
@METAVERSEDATAMINING
@cryptowizzard
@psh0691

For any others who signaled they wanted to remain as an active E-Fil+ notary, including the following: #948 (comment)

Please confirm your intentions to complete KYC or not as soon as possible. We will extend the deadline until Aug 25th.

[psh0691]

@kevzak
3,4 Active Notary, KYC completed.
I want to be a notary of E-Fil+.

[cryptowhizzard]

Done @kevzak

[kevzak]

@kevzak 3,4 Active Notary, KYC completed. I want to be a notary of E-Fil+.

updated

[PluskitOfficial]

@kevzak KYC completed. Please check and confirm.

[dannyob]

Hi @kevzak, I'd be happy to join the program.

[MatrixStorage]

please confirm @kevzak

[Suyanj]

[DaYouGroup]

Have completed KYC setup, should have submitted screenshots before but couldn't find them, now re's screenshots.

For E-Fil+ multisig notaries, please review the SLA for expectations: #579 (comment)

Once reviewed and in agreement, the next step to remain an active member of the multisig, all notaries should complete the KYC (know your customer) ID check on Filplus.storage.

Steps:

• Login to Filplus.storage with your notary github handle.
• Click on KYC verification link
• Complete steps on third party site, Togggle (ID check and liveliness)
• Once confirmed your github ID will show as KYC verified. Message @kevzak to confirm.
• See article here for more details: LINK
• Please complete the check by Sunday, August 13th.

@PluskitOfficial @Bennyyangpu @BobbyChoii @TakiChain @Casey-PG @Suyanj @DaYouGroup @1ane-1 @METAVERSEDATAMINING @Wengeding @nj-steve @NDLABS-Leo @BlockMakeronline @AthSmith @Joss-Hua @NewHuoPool @sxxfuture-official @jamerduhgamer @cryptowizzard @MatrixStorage @Fenbushi-Filecoin @newwebgroup @derricktan23 @liyunzhi-666 @Fatman13 @stcouldlisa @MRJAVAZHAO @Carohere @XnMatrixSV @NiwanDao @laurapanda @Destore2023

[MRJAVAZHAO]

Completed.

[kevzak]

Hi @kevzak, I'd be happy to join the program.

Great @dannyob - please complete the KYC check and we'll add you to the list.

[zcfil]

Completed.

[Casey-PG]

Finish KYC.

[1475Notary]

done.

[laurarenpanda]

Done!

[herony-fil]

Done!

[AthSmith]

Done!

[MEIYAN666]

Completed.

[NDLABS-Leo]

Done！

[Wengeding]

done

[Bennyyangpu]

done

[TakiChain]

Done

[ghost]

Done!

which notary are you? @herony-fil

[kevzak]

Here is the final list of E-Fil Notaries that have completed KYC to be added/updated on the WG multisig:
@laurarenpanda
@derricktan23
@Aaron01230
@NewHuoPool
@jamerduhgamer
@Destore2023
@nj-steve
@1ane-1
@sxxfuture-official
@newwebgroup
@Joss-Hua
@OpenGateNFT
@liyunzhi-666
@METAVERSEDATAMINING
@cryptowizzard
@psh0691
@TakiChain
@Bennyyangpu
@Wengeding
@NDLABS-Leo
@MRJAVAZHAO
@zcfil
@Casey-PG
@spaceT9
@MatrixStorage
@Suyanj
@1475Notary
@Meibuy
@AthSmith
@PluskitOfficial
@Fenbushi-Filecoin
@DaYouGroup
@s0nik42
@maxvint
@AlanGreaterheat
Next Steps: Please allow 1-2 weeks to have notary address added to mutilsig (if not an active E-Fil+ Notary)

[kevzak]

Also, please let this serve as a reminder of the E-Fil+ WG SLA. The original list of inactive notaries were allowed to remain if they requested, but we will continue to monitor activity over the next 3-6 months. Thank you.

[kevzak]

Please confirm notary names:
@1ane-1
@nj-steve
@OpenGateNFT
@spaceT9
@Suyanj
@Wengeding

[nj-steve]

Hello @kevzak I am steve from antalpha. nj-steve is my github handle. Our notary name is Xin Jin. My slack name is Steve-Antalpha.

[AlanGreaterheat]

以下是已完成 KYC 并在 WG 多重签名上添加/更新的 E-Fil 公证人的最终列表： @laurarenpanda @derricktan23 @Aaron01230 @NewHuoPool @jamerduhgamer @Destore2023 @nj-steve @1ane-1 @sxxfuture-official @newwebgroup @Joss-Hua @OpenGateNFT @liyunzhi-666 @METAVERSEDATAMINING @cryptowizzard @psh0691 @TakiChain @Bennyyangpu @Wengeding @NDLABS-Leo @MRJAVAZHAO @zcfil @Casey-PG @spaceT9 @MatrixStorage @Suyanj @1475Notary @Meibuy @AthSmith @PluskitOfficial @Fenbushi-Filecoin @DaYouGroup @s0nik42 @maxvint @AlanGreaterheat 后续步骤：请等待 1-2 周时间将公证地址添加到 mutilsig（如果不是活跃的 E-Fil+ 公证人）

cool！really thanks！

[1ane-1]

Hello@kevzak, I am Anne from Genesis group. Our notary name is Genesis, and my github handle is 1ane-1 and slcak name is Genesis