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Apparently Linux unfortunately can no longer be open-sourced 😢

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Hi @VonderVuflya!

Thanks for your contribution to the Linux kernel!

Linux kernel development happens on mailing lists, rather than on GitHub - this GitHub repository is a read-only mirror that isn't used for accepting contributions. So that your change can become part of Linux, please email it to us as a patch.

Sending patches isn't quite as simple as sending a pull request, but fortunately it is a well documented process.

Here's what to do:

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The Linux kernel community is notoriously picky about how contributions are formatted and sent. Fortunately, they have documented their expectations.

Firstly, all contributions need to be formatted as patches. A patch is a plain text document showing the change you want to make to the code, and documenting why it is a good idea.

You can create patches with git format-patch.

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Thirdly, changes have some technical requirements. There is a Linux kernel coding style, and there are licensing requirements you need to comply with.

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@Ritanlisa
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yeah, that's how fucking politics affect human brains

@nicolello-dev
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To be fair, it is the license that should not discriminate. So it is technically still open source

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HopaBDD commented Oct 30, 2024

To be fair, it is the license that should not discriminate. So it is technically still open source

Wrong. Open source is not just about reading and using code without restrictions. It is much more than that.

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Wrong. Open source is not just about reading and using code without restrictions. It is much more than that.

If you read the introduction, you would know that it says:

The distribution terms of open source software must comply with the following criteria

In other words? It is specifically for distribution.

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To be fair, it is the license that should not discriminate. So it is technically still open source

Wrong. Open source is not just about reading and using code without restrictions. It is much more than that.

Check the initial screenshot. It specifically talks about license and Linux is still GPL v2 which doesn't discriminate any group or persons.

There's no promise of any kind of accept new contributions into the official source code from any given person but the license allows anybody to freely use and improve the Linux kernel as they wish. The decision to accept any new contribution into the official Linux kernel is solely decided by Linus Torvalds, the owner of this repository.

It's just you that wants to convert this into purely political issue. Do you really think that Linux kernel should accept contributions from anybody? Do you really think that anybody should be accepted as maintainer for this project?

Being a maintainer is 99% about being trusted and people with Russian nationality cannot be trusted because their country has passed laws that allow them to be forced to silently accept code if Russian government says so.

If you want to maintain an alternative fork that accepts contributions from people that Linus doesn't trust, feel free to press the Fork button and maintain that fork yourself. Hopefully you do good enough work to attract lots of people. However, considering that Linus' fork is still considered the official one even after Redhat, Ubuntu and SUSE have been maintaining their respective forks for decades, I would say changes are slim to none that any given individual could do better work. But you definitely have freedom to try!

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anonyco commented Dec 14, 2024

I’d consider the FSF to be a much more authoritative source on open source software, and they define “free software means users have the four essential freedoms:”

  1. to run the program
  2. to study and change the program in source code form,
  3. to redistribute exact copies, and
  4. to distribute modified versions.

Apply a little critical thinking comparing the FSF and the OSI and it becomes clear which one sucks the dicks of corporate sponsors and which one is genuinely altruistic. I trust the FSF to be my source of truth and relish getting high off my ass on the euphoric idealism of snorting FSF cocaine

Linux is more open source than most projects thanks to its awesome copyleft GPLv2 license, guaranteeing the freedom of the code to every recipient all the way down the line.

OK, first, let’s review the top messages of the mail list:

Remove some entries due to various compliance requirements. They can come
back in the future if sufficient documentation is provided.

Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman

Two good analogies to Linus Torvalds removing Russian maintainers are businesses choosing customers and first amendment rights. Nobody has any right to be a customer of any business and businesses are free to deny services to anyone they choose. Similarly, you can say whatever you want but nobody is free from the consequences; cancel culture is legal and the government can closely monitor people they’re concerned about.

Similarly, Open Source doesn’t mean it’s available to everyone and certainly doesn’t mean anyone is allowed to be a contributor. Per the FSF principles, the GPL only obligates you to provide source code to those who you distribute your software to. Publishing your source code online is a good kind gesture, but not required. Likewise, an open source project can reject any maintainers they want. Look up “open source, not open contribution” to find projects following the strictest sense of this model.

Being a maintainer is 99% about being trusted and people with Russian nationality cannot be trusted because their country has passed laws that allow them to be forced to silently accept code if Russian government says so.

@mikkorantalainen above in this GitHub thread

A lot of countries impose censorship like this, especially China but even the United States. Read up on Snowden. It’s not too far fetched for the NSA to seize a kernel dev’s laptop and hold the person prisoner while they submit a malicious kernel patch. I wouldn’t be surprised if France did it either

OK, bring out your pitchforks and downvote my unpopular remarks, but at least consider this: it doesn’t matter who has access to the Linux kernel and who submits what because there’s too many eyeballs on the code. Chances are that a secret disguised malicious code would turn up pretty quickly in a random kernel dump and be investigated further by whoever is debugging the kernel. It’d be found out and removed, end of story.

Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting
reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to
"grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change
anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.

                   Linus

SO, what’s the deal with Torvalds kicking out the Russian kernel devs? It’s because of United States sanctions on Russia and because Torvalds (very smartly) doesn’t want to drag the Linux kernel into a shootout with dumb orange oafish American politicians who don’t understand anything about software. Consider all the companies contributing to the Linux kernel located in the United States such as RedHat and Google. Hate these companies all you want but the Linux kernel wouldn’t be where it is without them.

Linus Torvalds is nothing if not completely self-directed and resistant to authority. He doesn’t care about these companies or anyone else and doesn’t pander to their interests. The interest is mutual here.

No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers.

I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them.

                   Linus

What if the United States passes more sanctions to try to control the Linux Kernel further? I guarantee Linus Torvalds wasn’t too happy about having to remove the Russian maintainers and he won’t allow himself to be bullied much further by pigheaded politicians. Such sanctions have and will harm tech companies just as much as the Linux kernel, and the likely result would be the exodus of open source software and big name tech companies from the United States.

When everything blows over—regardless of whether the outcome is lifting sanctions or escalating them—I’m sure Linus Torvalds will reinstate the Russian maintainers and their rightful plaques in CREDITS and MAINTAINERS

/rant please don’t hate me. Love everyone!

@AkemiKami201
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its because of the fucking politics

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